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N4: B.S. Black Flags

John DiFoo

N4: B.S. Black Flags

by John DiFoo » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 07:01:18

I am pleased about one thing - if you very briefly exceed the
pit speed limit for an instant, they won't black flag you anymore
(is there an unspoken rule in real NASCAR about a 5 MPH
buffer on the pit speed limit?  I can't believe that some official
with a radar gun BFs a guy if he goes to 56 MPH for one
second...).

I wasn't too surprised when I spun coming out of four and to get
back to my pit I had to cross the grass for a bit, and got
a penalty (tho don't spun-out cars do that all the time in
NASCAR?).  Was still quicker than having to go all back
around with 2 flats...

But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for
(seemingly) absolutely no reason.  I entered pit road fine,
exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed
to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you
didn't exit pit lane safely."  WTFO?  Then I realized that I
was flooring the throttle right after the car dropped down for
the last time-perhaps my tach exceeded the tach limit? (3500)
[they don't look at your actual speed???]
For some reason there is a little lag in there after the car
drops down when you just rev in neutral, then the guy says
"gogogo!" and then the wheels start spinning.  Perhaps the
gas dude is still filling you up?  Or are they really penalizing
you for revving before the "go" signal?

Either way it really POed me off, as I was running 3rd at the
time...

And what is with that idiot with the stop sign at the end of
pit road during yellows?  I see cars exiting a*** all the time
in real life-if the official at that location actually stood where
he does in the game, he'd be roadkill (I almost hit him a
couple of times)...

    John DiFool

ymenar

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by ymenar » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 07:12:57


> But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for
> (seemingly) absolutely no reason.  I entered pit road fine,
> exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed
> to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you
> didn't exit pit lane safely."

What track was it? There is some known problems at Rockingham for that.
Still, when you exit the pits, make sure you MERGE carefully until you are
on the backstretch.

Uhhh, if you see a STOP sign, STOP ;)    If you see a GO sign, GO!

No, he's there in real life!

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Gunner Hancoc

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by Gunner Hancoc » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 07:16:50


> But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for
> (seemingly) absolutely no reason.  I entered pit road fine,
> exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed
> to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you
> didn't exit pit lane safely."  WTFO?  Then I realized that I
> was flooring the throttle right after the car dropped down for

Perhaps you merged onto the track too soon? You have to wait for a certain
spot on the track before you can merge into traffic.

Gunner

double

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by double » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 07:31:42

At Daytona for example, this was happening to me too, and I realized I was
being black flagged for merging onto the track across the yellow solid blend
line.



> > But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for
> > (seemingly) absolutely no reason.  I entered pit road fine,
> > exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed
> > to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you
> > didn't exit pit lane safely."

> What track was it? There is some known problems at Rockingham for that.
> Still, when you exit the pits, make sure you MERGE carefully until you are
> on the backstretch.

> > And what is with that idiot with the stop sign at the end of
> > pit road during yellows?

> Uhhh, if you see a STOP sign, STOP ;)    If you see a GO sign, GO!

> > I see cars exiting a*** all the time
> > in real life-if the official at that location actually stood where
> > he does in the game, he'd be roadkill (I almost hit him a
> > couple of times)...

> No, he's there in real life!

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
> hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

John DiFoo

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by John DiFoo » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 08:04:26



> > But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for
> > (seemingly) absolutely no reason.  I entered pit road fine,
> > exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed
> > to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you
> > didn't exit pit lane safely."

> What track was it? There is some known problems at Rockingham for that.
> Still, when you exit the pits, make sure you MERGE carefully until you are
> on the backstretch.

     Talladega (sorry)...the BF came out before I ever even thought about
merging...

    JD

John DiFoo

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by John DiFoo » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 08:07:34



> > But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for
> > (seemingly) absolutely no reason.  I entered pit road fine,
> > exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed
> > to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you
> > didn't exit pit lane safely."  WTFO?  Then I realized that I
> > was flooring the throttle right after the car dropped down for

> Perhaps you merged onto the track too soon? You have to wait for a certain
> spot on the track before you can merge into traffic.

> Gunner

    It was 'Dega, and the start-finish line is about a hundred yards or so
beyond the end of pit road, and I swear I did everything by the book.

    I wish I could challenge the official who flags me to a fight when he
gives me bogus penalities like this (or my crew chief could argue my
case...blehh).

    JD

PHYDEAUX

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by PHYDEAUX » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 11:04:31


>> But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for
>> (seemingly) absolutely no reason.  I entered pit road fine,
>> exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed
>> to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you
>> didn't exit pit lane safely."  WTFO?  Then I realized that I
>> was flooring the throttle right after the car dropped down for

>Perhaps you merged onto the track too soon? You have to wait for a certain
>spot on the track before you can merge into traffic.

>Gunner

Correct and on tracks with extended pit exit roads that go all the way to the
backstretch....you had better use them.....don't cut across the grass either.

(Don't gimme NO***in E-mail)

Eric Busc

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by Eric Busc » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 12:25:44

It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait until
you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to the track.
Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the line just
before the entrance to turn one.

--
Eric


John DiFoo

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by John DiFoo » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 13:30:19


> It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait until
> you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to the track.
> Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the line just
> before the entrance to turn one.

     Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I crossed
start finish and got the message (besides it said something about exiting
pit road unsafely and not merging improperly).

    JD

Target

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by Target » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:09:34

You were below the yellow line, right?
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Thom j

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by Thom j » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 04:10:49

John, My fellow RAS'er. Listen up!! What happened was you PO'ed
the official in the N4 sim and that's that!! Get over it!!...lol <G>


|
| > It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait until
| > you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to the
track.
| > Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the line
just
| > before the entrance to turn one.
|
|      Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I crossed
| start finish and got the message (besides it said something about exiting
| pit road unsafely and not merging improperly).
|
|     JD
|
|

Aitc

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by Aitc » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:41:54


:
: > It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait until
: > you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to the
track.
: > Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the line
just
: > before the entrance to turn one.
:
:      Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I crossed
: start finish and got the message (besides it said something about exiting
: pit road unsafely and not merging improperly).

Like he said, it has nothing to do with the S/F line. The merge line extends
well past the S/F line almost into turn 1.

John DiFoo

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by John DiFoo » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 03:17:47





> :
> : > It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait until
> : > you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to the
> track.
> : > Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the line
> just
> : > before the entrance to turn one.
> :
> :      Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I crossed
> : start finish and got the message (besides it said something about exiting
> : pit road unsafely and not merging improperly).

> Like he said, it has nothing to do with the S/F line. The merge line extends
> well past the S/F line almost into turn 1.

    Again, the point was I only had 100 yards worth of merge line to violate
before I reached S/F and got notified of the penalty, and I most certainly
didn't
cross the line (never came close), and that was NOT the penalty message I got
anyway.
    Someone needs to check if revving too high before leaving your pit is
the problem (I'll check today)...or, as someone else mentioned the official
just 'had' it in for me... :-p

    John DiFool

Dog-Le

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by Dog-Le » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:35:06

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You still get BF'd (interpret as you wish) if you get spun out down into the
pits, too :(

After 4 revisions, I can't help but wonder why they haven't trapped for
that.  You wouldn't think it would be hard:

procedure IsDriverSpeeding(YesNo:Boolean);
begin
IF
CarIsExceedingPitSpeed
AND
CarIsSwappingAssEndAround OR CarHasSwappedAssEndAround
AND
DriverIsScreamingHisHeadOff
AND
DriversDrawersAreSoiled

Then
YesNo := 1

Else
YesNo := 0

End;

Please don't bother to critique my code.  I wrote my last Pascal application
in 1989, and I'm sure any compilor would have a fit with the above code :)

-Larry


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Dog-Le

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by Dog-Le » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:39:23

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Uh, this doesn't make any sense...

When you exit the pit at Dega, the S/F line is WAY behind you.

When you leave the Pit, you HAVE to stay below the merge line well into turn
1.  Right before the Apex, your Spotter should tell you it's ok to merge
safely onto the track.

The S/F line does not come into play here one iota, and I think that's why
everyone is confused.

If you ARE somehow doing something that is bring the S/F line into this,
then I have no doubt that you SHOULD be getting a B/F :)

-Larry






> > :
> > : > It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait
until
> > : > you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to the
> > track.
> > : > Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the line
> > just
> > : > before the entrance to turn one.
> > :
> > :      Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I
crossed
> > : start finish and got the message (besides it said something about
exiting
> > : pit road unsafely and not merging improperly).

> > Like he said, it has nothing to do with the S/F line. The merge line
extends
> > well past the S/F line almost into turn 1.

>     Again, the point was I only had 100 yards worth of merge line to
violate
> before I reached S/F and got notified of the penalty, and I most certainly
> didn't
> cross the line (never came close), and that was NOT the penalty message I
got
> anyway.
>     Someone needs to check if revving too high before leaving your pit is
> the problem (I'll check today)...or, as someone else mentioned the
official
> just 'had' it in for me... :-p

>     John DiFool

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