rec.autos.simulators

by **Walk Walke** » Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I don't think this has anything to do with me being a sucker. I think it's
more a question of realistic expectations. I've been a newsgroup *** for
nearly 4 years now and I've just learned to deal with it. No amount of
complaining by all 2-300 "***" sim-racers changes anything.

I guess it's just different viewpoints. I can still understand where you're
coming from, and I'm not denying that you have just cause to be frustrated,
I have just found it easier to lay back and remain calm. Now, if the cable
company tries to***me......that's a whole 'nuther story...<g>

-/-WW

by **Barton Brow** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

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by **Doug Bishop Jackson Mi** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Get a Life......(and an add on funnybone pack)

>Subject: Re: Papyrus/Sierra my Q&A period

>Date: 02/23/2000 10:41 AM Eastern Standard Time

>Ever since time began ( it seems ), people have been bashing Papyrus, Sierra
>for this that and the other. Claims are made drawing comparisons between
>Simulations and Books, sims and phone service, sims and any other standard
>product or service. I respectfully disagree

>Software is a different beast. Deal with it. This is not malicious
>advertising or some *** to keep us down. This is all a matter of
>licensing, logistics and plain old hard cash. "Twas always thus and so shall
>it ever be....

>People moaned and whined at TEN for providing poor customer service, about
>rankings not working all the itme, about this that and the other. End
>result? It's gone an now people are whining about WON and how crappy they
>find it. Now, I agree that TEN was not perfect, and that Sierra could/should
>try harder to obtain important licenses, but you know what, life goes on.

>We are all participants in an industry that is still in its adolescence. If
>you don't like it, you are not required to participate. I know, I know,
>Sierra/Papyrus owes you EVERYTHING because you've bought $400 worth of
>software, $1,000's of dollars of hardwre, etc. That and $1.25 will get you a
>cup a coffee these days, so get over it.

>I am NOT saying "don't post it here". By all means, post away, let's
>discuss, fight, argue, laugh, etc. But I AM saying, you need to re-evaluate
>your expectations or else you're in for a world of hurt while you wait for
>the "perfect" sim.

>-/- Walk Walker

>> On another note I bought this book today but a 2 of the 30 chapters were
>> missing. Oh well I guess I will get it in the books add-on pack coming out
>> in a few month's.

(Don't use NO***in E-mail)

You think in the storm we've found the eye of the calm.....Bill Mallonnee,
Vigilantes Of Love

by **Doug Bishop Jackson Mi** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: Papyrus/Sierra my Q&A period

>Date: 02/23/2000 4:46 PM Eastern Standard Time

>> Walk is right, but *** theorists don't like to hear that.

>Like I said the day the Daytona demo rumors started...

>I thought the r.a.s. citizens had matured and learned to deal with the
>business side of the *** industry, but there is always some people who
>don't understand, don't have the knowledge or are just simple-minded and
>think that the situation is in any way the fault of Papyrus.

>Still, we all know it's Brian's fault ;-D

SNIP>>>>
Noooooo it's Saaaatannnn's fault.....

- Show quoted text -

(Don't use NO***in E-mail)

You think in the storm we've found the eye of the calm.....Bill Mallonnee,
Vigilantes Of Love

by **Wozm** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

<<Ever since time began ( it seems ), people have been bashing Papyrus, Sierra
for this that and the other. Claims are made drawing comparisons between
Simulations and Books, sims and phone service, sims and any other standard
product or service. I respectfully disagree

Software is a different beast. Deal with it. This is not malicious
advertising or some *** to keep us down. This is all a matter of
licensing, logistics and plain old hard cash. "Twas always thus and so shall
it ever be....

People moaned and whined at TEN for providing poor customer service, about
rankings not working all the itme, about this that and the other. End
result? It's gone an now people are whining about WON and how crappy they
find it. Now, I agree that TEN was not perfect, and that Sierra could/should
try harder to obtain important licenses, but you know what, life goes on.

We are all participants in an industry that is still in its adolescence. If
you don't like it, you are not required to participate. I know, I know,
Sierra/Papyrus owes you EVERYTHING because you've bought $400 worth of
software, $1,000's of dollars of hardwre, etc. That and $1.25 will get you a
cup a coffee these days, so get over it.

I am NOT saying "don't post it here". By all means, post away, let's
discuss, fight, argue, laugh, etc. But I AM saying, you need to re-evaluate
your expectations or else you're in for a world of hurt while you wait for
the "perfect" sim.>>

Amen to that! If I really and truly thought that papy was intentionally going
out of it's way to rip me off, I would make a complaint. But it just so
happens I believe them.
For those of you who bought the sim, would it had made a difference if the box
said "almost all?" Probably not.

Just my .02
Mike

by **Barton Brow** » Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I think you've got it wrong-way-'round: while it may seem like
reverse-psychology, I believe the complaint is NOT that Sierra is less
than forthcoming in their promotional information (though that's
probably the only way to attack the situation, from a "consumer
protection" standpoint)), the REAL problem is that Daytona is being made
available to a VERY limited number of people, in the hope that they'll
buy the full sim after grokking the demo. To add theoretical insult to
hypothetical injury, it is easy to construe this situation as a snub to
Sierra's "installed base" of previous (and in many cases, long-term)
customers. While I'm sure no one has any argument with Sierra getting
more market share for N3 -- THAT's good for everyone -- it is pretty
difficult to accept that this track is NOT being made available
generally, especially to those who've already bought N3. Unless it's a
licensing problem with ISC, it doesn't make much business sense -- I'm
sure current N3 owners would be more than willing to pay for Daytona.

BB

> If I really and truly thought that papy was intentionally going
> out of it's way to rip me off, I would make a complaint. But it just so
> happens I believe them.
> For those of you who bought the sim, would it had made a difference if the box
> said "almost all?" Probably not.

> Just my .02
> Mike