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by barbara johnso » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:30:46

an excellent drag racing sim!!   no multiplayer as of yet but im sure soon!!
for all u drag racer you will love this game man. post on nitrosim are BS
Eldre

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by Eldre » Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:51:47



>an excellent drag racing sim!!   no multiplayer as of yet but im sure soon!!
>for all u drag racer you will love this game man. post on nitrosim are BS

Is it better than Burnout?  That game SUCKED, imo.

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by MadDAW » Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:26:23

I loved Burnout/Burnout PCE. Of course have been known to spend a few
weekends a year doing it for real too. :)  Burnout is a pretty good
simulation of sportsman drag racing.

MadDAWG

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by Eldre » Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:39:46



>I loved Burnout/Burnout PCE. Of course have been known to spend a few
>weekends a year doing it for real too. :)  Burnout is a pretty good
>simulation of sportsman drag racing.

I could never figure out how to get in the right race, or something.  Every
race would have my opponent leave me like I was standing STILL.  On the off
chance that I could keep up, I would lose because I went *faster* than I was
supposed to(bracket).  How the hell are you supposed to know(during the run)
that your run will be .2 seconds under the time you're limited to??  ***ing
stupid game...

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by Rich » Mon, 12 Jan 2004 04:18:52

Eldred, those are the rules of sportsman class 1/4mile drag racing. In real
drags, you qualify an ET (elapsed time) in the qualifying rounds -  and then
you are NOT allowed to "break out" or go over that dial-in ET in the
elimination rounds. An example are ET's in one NHRA category alone...say,
Super Stock. "SS/DA" (Super Stock D Automatic) will run slower than SS/AA.
Yet, they are considered in the same "super stock" class. So, there are
handicaps for those who do run slower dial-in ET's by way of the "christmas
tree" allowing the slower guy a head start. (This of course prevents
cheating...so Joe Shmuck doesn't hold out until the final rounds) There are
dozens of classes. You wouldn't match an F1 car against a Cart class. Its
the same in drag racing.
The rules are there so that it is fair for everyone.




>>I loved Burnout/Burnout PCE. Of course have been known to spend a few
>>weekends a year doing it for real too. :)  Burnout is a pretty good
>>simulation of sportsman drag racing.

>I could never figure out how to get in the right race, or something.  Every
>race would have my opponent leave me like I was standing STILL.  On the off
>chance that I could keep up, I would lose because I went *faster* than I
was
>supposed to(bracket).  How the hell are you supposed to know(during the
run)
>that your run will be .2 seconds under the time you're limited to??
***ing
>stupid game...

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by Eldre » Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:51:36


>Eldred, those are the rules of sportsman class 1/4mile drag racing. In real
>drags, you qualify an ET (elapsed time) in the qualifying rounds -  and then
>you are NOT allowed to "break out" or go over that dial-in ET in the
>elimination rounds. An example are ET's in one NHRA category alone...say,
>Super Stock. "SS/DA" (Super Stock D Automatic) will run slower than SS/AA.
>Yet, they are considered in the same "super stock" class. So, there are
>handicaps for those who do run slower dial-in ET's by way of the "christmas
>tree" allowing the slower guy a head start. (This of course prevents
>cheating...so Joe Shmuck doesn't hold out until the final rounds) There are
>dozens of classes. You wouldn't match an F1 car against a Cart class. Its
>the same in drag racing.
>The rules are there so that it is fair for everyone.

No, I understand the *concept*.  I'm just saying in the qual race I hammer down
and go as fast as I can.  In the main race I do the same thing.  During the
(main)run, I have no way of knowing if I'll break out or not.  So, I don't know
if I should lift or not.  If I don't lift, I seem to always break out.  But if
I lift to avoid breaking out, I lose by ET(I tried a couple times).  So like I
said before, I could never figure it out.  I don't know how to win such a weird
race...

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by MadDAW » Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:50:19

try it in real life!  On big factor is weather. As it cools down cars go
faster.  Racing on Saturdays is a real ***. Your practice runs are all
during the day, and by the second or third round its dark dropped 10 degrees
or better and you need to adjust your dail in. Of course as it gets cooler
the track looses grip so its easy to spin the tires too, and you actual see
the start light a little quicker so its easier to red light too.  Well that
last one isn't in the game. lol    This is the kind of stuff I was talking
about in my first post.  Dang it now I want to reload the dang game. Might
have to look for an old Voodo card since Burnout only runs 3dfx for
graphics.

MadDAWG

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by MadDAW » Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:57:56


Actually IIRC Stock and Super Stock classes are run as a handicapped start
only. Each car is placed in a class based on power to wieght ratio and
transmission type. Each class then has a time it "should" run. The slower
car of each race is then start ahead of the other by the differance in class
times. There is no breakout it this kind of racing, and if your not at least
three tenths under your class time you don't have a snowball's chance of
going very deep in elimnations. At least thats the way it was the last time
I went to a natonal event.  I think the breakout rule is only for ET
brackets.  I don't think open comp uses a breakout does it?

MadDAWG

Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:40:23

Which I wouldn't know how to do ANYWAY...  It just doesn't seem like a fun way
to spend time.<shrug>

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by MadDAW » Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:55:38

well in real life you just whip out the white shoe polish and write a new
number on the windows. In the game you need to go to the electronics tab and
adjust type in a new number. if you never changed it I can see why you had
problems. The default setup and default dail in were miles apart.  You could
also run index classes and heads up if I remember right.

MadDAWG

Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:39:51



>well in real life you just whip out the white shoe polish and write a new
>number on the windows. In the game you need to go to the electronics tab and
>adjust type in a new number. if you never changed it I can see why you had
>problems. The default setup and default dail in were miles apart.  You could
>also run index classes and heads up if I remember right.

Hmm...  Never saw the right screen, I guess.

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by Rich » Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:37:58




> > Eldred, those are the rules of sportsman class 1/4mile drag racing. In
> real
> > drags, you qualify an ET (elapsed time) in the qualifying rounds -  and
> then
> > you are NOT allowed to "break out" or go over that dial-in ET in the
> > elimination rounds. An example are ET's in one NHRA category
alone...say,
> > Super Stock. "SS/DA" (Super Stock D Automatic) will run slower than
SS/AA.
> > Yet, they are considered in the same "super stock" class. So, there are
> > handicaps for those who do run slower dial-in ET's by way of the
> "christmas
> > tree" allowing the slower guy a head start. (This of course prevents
> > cheating...so Joe Shmuck doesn't hold out until the final rounds) There
> are
> > dozens of classes. You wouldn't match an F1 car against a Cart class.
Its
> > the same in drag racing.
> > The rules are there so that it is fair for everyone.

> Actually IIRC Stock and Super Stock classes are run as a handicapped start
> only. Each car is placed in a class based on power to wieght ratio and
> transmission type. Each class then has a time it "should" run. The slower
> car of each race is then start ahead of the other by the differance in
class
> times. There is no breakout it this kind of racing, and if your not at
least
> three tenths under your class time you don't have a snowball's chance of
> going very deep in elimnations. At least thats the way it was the last
time
> I went to a natonal event.  I think the breakout rule is only for ET
> brackets.  I don't think open comp uses a breakout does it?

> MadDAWG

I'm sorry to say that I haven't been keeping up to whats allowed and what
isn't these days.
Last time I paid a visit to the local track was almost 12 yrs ago. I brought
a "dial-your-own"
75 Pontiac Ventura 350 and made it to the third round of eliminations before

being nosed out by a 65
Grand Prix. I lost by 3/10ths of a second because I was worried about
breaking out so I backed off near the finish and unfortunately it was too
much too soon.
Getting back to what Eldred was mentioning about how hard it is to be
consistent, well, if you're an inexperienced racer, those problems happen a
lot...and I'm sure the game is no different. Its just harder to have that
feel for the car.
One has to really know the feel of their car to know what consistency is in
drag racing involving ETs. Guess that is what separates the men from the
boys.

MadDAW

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by MadDAW » Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:29:51

been there done that, and have a closet full of  T-shirts.  lol

MadDAWG

Larr

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by Larr » Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:18:51

Well, you just watch the other guy.  You go only fast enough to win, and no
more :)

-Larry



writes:

> >Eldred, those are the rules of sportsman class 1/4mile drag racing. In
real
> >drags, you qualify an ET (elapsed time) in the qualifying rounds -  and
then
> >you are NOT allowed to "break out" or go over that dial-in ET in the
> >elimination rounds. An example are ET's in one NHRA category alone...say,
> >Super Stock. "SS/DA" (Super Stock D Automatic) will run slower than
SS/AA.
> >Yet, they are considered in the same "super stock" class. So, there are
> >handicaps for those who do run slower dial-in ET's by way of the
"christmas
> >tree" allowing the slower guy a head start. (This of course prevents
> >cheating...so Joe Shmuck doesn't hold out until the final rounds) There
are
> >dozens of classes. You wouldn't match an F1 car against a Cart class. Its
> >the same in drag racing.
> >The rules are there so that it is fair for everyone.

> No, I understand the *concept*.  I'm just saying in the qual race I hammer
down
> and go as fast as I can.  In the main race I do the same thing.  During
the
> (main)run, I have no way of knowing if I'll break out or not.  So, I don't
know
> if I should lift or not.  If I don't lift, I seem to always break out.
But if
> I lift to avoid breaking out, I lose by ET(I tried a couple times).  So
like I
> said before, I could never figure it out.  I don't know how to win such a
weird
> race...

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by Larr » Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:23:28

The most pissed-off human being I've ever seen is the guy in the Corvette
who lost to me and my '67 GTO at Old Dominion Speedway in, oh, 1978 I
believe.

It is (or was, not sure these days) a 1/8th mile track.  Sneeze, and you
missed the whole thing :)

Somewhere at my Mom's house I have the Trophy for winning that race.

-Larry




> > Eldred, those are the rules of sportsman class 1/4mile drag racing. In
> real
> > drags, you qualify an ET (elapsed time) in the qualifying rounds -  and
> then
> > you are NOT allowed to "break out" or go over that dial-in ET in the
> > elimination rounds. An example are ET's in one NHRA category
alone...say,
> > Super Stock. "SS/DA" (Super Stock D Automatic) will run slower than
SS/AA.
> > Yet, they are considered in the same "super stock" class. So, there are
> > handicaps for those who do run slower dial-in ET's by way of the
> "christmas
> > tree" allowing the slower guy a head start. (This of course prevents
> > cheating...so Joe Shmuck doesn't hold out until the final rounds) There
> are
> > dozens of classes. You wouldn't match an F1 car against a Cart class.
Its
> > the same in drag racing.
> > The rules are there so that it is fair for everyone.

> Actually IIRC Stock and Super Stock classes are run as a handicapped start
> only. Each car is placed in a class based on power to wieght ratio and
> transmission type. Each class then has a time it "should" run. The slower
> car of each race is then start ahead of the other by the differance in
class
> times. There is no breakout it this kind of racing, and if your not at
least
> three tenths under your class time you don't have a snowball's chance of
> going very deep in elimnations. At least thats the way it was the last
time
> I went to a natonal event.  I think the breakout rule is only for ET
> brackets.  I don't think open comp uses a breakout does it?

> MadDAWG


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