Here is the Indianapolis Motor Speedway track for Nascar and Indycar
Racing II.
Please allow at least 3 days for repost requests because the file is
being forwarded through an anonymous re-mailing service in Finland.
If anyone knows of any anonymous FTP servers that DO NOT keep logs of
uploads, please forward that info to me via email. If I find a truly
anonymous ftp site, I will upload the file there.
-=EggMan71=-
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Flame warPirated Indianapolis track posted, and kill-file arguments
An anonymous poster uploaded a pirated Indianapolis track for NASCAR and IndyCar Racing II. Regulars condemned it as harmful to the group's relationship with Papyrus. Papyrus's Ed Martin added Tom Wardell to his kill file, which led to arguments over whether Tom was being blamed unfairly and a long side spat about the spelling of 'criticise'.
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>Here is the Indianapolis Motor Speedway track for Nascar and Indycar >Racing II. >Please allow at least 3 days for repost requests because the file is >being forwarded through an anonymous re-mailing service in Finland. >If anyone knows of any anonymous FTP servers that DO NOT keep logs of >uploads, please forward that info to me via email. If I find a truly >anonymous ftp site, I will upload the file there. >-=EggMan71=- >--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** >Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED.>WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?? ARE YOU STUPID OR ARE YOU JUST PALILY AN
>MORON??? Come on everyone lets try to find out who this is!
>Tom Wardell
>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2171
Why am I doing what? Seems you are the moron for asking a pointless
question.
Let me know what the problem is.
Also, you CANNOT find out who I am. The anonymous re-mailer
ANON.PENET.FI has only been obligated to reveal the true identity of
only one (1) of it's users, and that was because the Church of
Sceintology <sp> (which is a worldwide organization) went through the
Finland court system and obtained a warrant for the name of the person
that was posting anonymous "hate messages" about the church.
I really don't want any trouble Tom, If I bother you, don't read my
posts.
This all must be a misunderstanding.
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>>WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?? ARE YOU STUPID OR ARE YOU JUST PALILY AN >>MORON??? Come on everyone lets try to find out who this is! >>Tom Wardell >>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2171 >Why am I doing what? Seems you are the moron for asking a pointless >question. >Let me know what the problem is. >Also, you CANNOT find out who I am. The anonymous re-mailer >ANON.PENET.FI has only been obligated to reveal the true identity of >only one (1) of it's users, and that was because the Church of >Sceintology <sp> (which is a worldwide organization) went through the >Finland court system and obtained a warrant for the name of the person >that was posting anonymous "hate messages" about the church. >I really don't want any trouble Tom, If I bother you, don't read my >posts. >This all must be a misunderstanding. >-=EggMan71=- >--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** >Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED.Quoted text (22 lines)
>>WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?? ARE YOU STUPID OR ARE YOU JUST PALILY AN >>MORON??? Come on everyone lets try to find out who this is! >>Tom Wardell >>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2171 >Why am I doing what? Seems you are the moron for asking a pointless >question. >Let me know what the problem is. >Also, you CANNOT find out who I am. The anonymous re-mailer >ANON.PENET.FI has only been obligated to reveal the true identity of >only one (1) of it's users, and that was because the Church of >Sceintology <sp> (which is a worldwide organization) went through the >Finland court system and obtained a warrant for the name of the person >that was posting anonymous "hate messages" about the church. >I really don't want any trouble Tom, If I bother you, don't read my >posts. >This all must be a misunderstanding. >-=EggMan71=- >--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** >Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED.I think explaining all that was pointless. I also think it was a bad
decision (very bad) to make that post in this group. Keep post of that
type where they belong else you could wind up pissing off alot more
people other than the ones in this group. We would'nt want to do that
now would we...
Rebel Warrior
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>>>WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?? ARE YOU STUPID OR ARE YOU JUST PALILY AN >>>MORON??? Come on everyone lets try to find out who this is! >>>Tom Wardell >>>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2171 >>Why am I doing what? Seems you are the moron for asking a pointless >>question. >>Let me know what the problem is. >>Also, you CANNOT find out who I am. The anonymous re-mailer >>ANON.PENET.FI has only been obligated to reveal the true identity of >>only one (1) of it's users, and that was because the Church of >>Sceintology <sp> (which is a worldwide organization) went through the >>Finland court system and obtained a warrant for the name of the person >>that was posting anonymous "hate messages" about the church. >>I really don't want any trouble Tom, If I bother you, don't read my >>posts. >>This all must be a misunderstanding. >>-=EggMan71=- >>--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** >>Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. >You would know what the problem is if you had been reading this group >for a while. We have been very fortunate to have a dialogue with the >people at Papyrus as well as Spectrum Holobyte. These people will not >be happy to see there pirated software on this group. By posting the >Indy track you have jeapordised this relationship for all of us. If >this stupidity on your part causes us to lose this I think you are >going to find yourself with many enemies. I would hope that Ed and >Adam can find your identity and sue your ass. Thanks for nothing.Quoted text (18 lines)
>>Here is the Indianapolis Motor Speedway track for Nascar and Indycar >>Racing II. >>Please allow at least 3 days for repost requests because the file is >>being forwarded through an anonymous re-mailing service in Finland. >>If anyone knows of any anonymous FTP servers that DO NOT keep logs of >>uploads, please forward that info to me via email. If I find a truly >>anonymous ftp site, I will upload the file there. >>-=EggMan71=- >>--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** >>Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. >WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?? ARE YOU STUPID OR ARE YOU JUST PALILY AN >MORON??? Come on everyone lets try to find out who this is! >Tom Wardell >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2171SNIP SNIP SNIP
I always enjoy hearing from ED!! :-}
Regards
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Expertec Corporation (313) 451-2272
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>>>Here is the Indianapolis Motor Speedway track for Nascar and Indycar >>>Racing II. >>>Please allow at least 3 days for repost requests because the file is >>>being forwarded through an anonymous re-mailing service in Finland. >>>If anyone knows of any anonymous FTP servers that DO NOT keep logs of >>>uploads, please forward that info to me via email. If I find a truly >>>anonymous ftp site, I will upload the file there. >>>-=EggMan71=- >>>--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** >>>Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. >>WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?? ARE YOU STUPID OR ARE YOU JUST PALILY AN >>MORON??? Come on everyone lets try to find out who this is! >>Tom Wardell >>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2171 >Dear Tom, >I could care less if this is you or someone who keeps posting under >your name. I welcome you to my kill file. this way, i'll never even >see another message from you & all the other Tom Wardell's. >Hailing frequencies closed. >Ed Martin >Producer, Series Director >NASCAR Racing League >Papyrus / Sierra On-Line, Inc.>I could care less if this is you or someone who keeps posting under
>your name. I welcome you to my kill file. this way, i'll never even
>see another message from you & all the other Tom Wardell's.
Don't worry too much, Ed. He wasn't particular adept at what he was
doing. It looks like it must have taken him the better part of the day
to do what he did, and even then it didn't get as far as my ISP, at
least - a rather nice gentleman issued a bincancel to stop it
propagating through the 'net. Not that he did it because he realised
that it was infringing your copyright but simply because "eggman" was
being a prat and posting a large binary to a discussion newsgroup!
Richard
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>>>Here is the Indianapolis Motor Speedway track for Nascar and Indycar
>>>Racing II.
>>>Please allow at least 3 days for repost requests because the file is
>>>being forwarded through an anonymous re-mailing service in Finland.
>>>If anyone knows of any anonymous FTP servers that DO NOT keep logs of
>>>uploads, please forward that info to me via email. If I find a truly
>>>anonymous ftp site, I will upload the file there.
>>>-=EggMan71=-
>>>--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENT ON***
>>>Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED.
Let me first say that most of what Tom has to say here I usually do not
agree with. This however seems to be someone taking heat for something
they did not do. I seem to recall not so long ago the same thing
happening to me. Which I might ad that when I e-mailed you Ed
concerning that; I did'nt even get as much as a reply back. My point
is; why should Tom be punished for the wrong doings of others? I agree
that there are some bad apples in this group that love nothing more
then causing problems but for the most part most people here try to
help each other and learn new things by visiting this group. Tom is an
example of someone that post to this group very often and while I
generally don't agree with his views; he has the right to voice his
views like everyone else. I do not think its fair for anyone to kill
his post "based" on something he claims to have no involvement in
including you. After all; he visits this group because he purchases and
enjoys simulators produced by your company. That in itself should be
enough for him to gain your respect and fair treatment. This is just my
view because I had a hard time excepting your post on this matter.
Anyone who disagrees is welcome to respond and I'm sure you will:)
Thanks to everyone who took the time to read this and HAPPY RACING!!!!!
Darrell
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>>WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?? ARE YOU STUPID OR ARE YOU JUST PALILY AN >>MORON??? Come on everyone lets try to find out who this is! >>Tom Wardell >>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2171 >Dear Tom, >I could care less if this is you or someone who keeps posting under >your name. I welcome you to my kill file. this way, i'll never even >see another message from you & all the other Tom Wardell's. >Hailing frequencies closed. >Ed Martin >Producer, Series Director >NASCAR Racing League >Papyrus / Sierra On-Line, Inc.>Let me first say that most of what Tom has to say here I usually do not
>agree with. This however seems to be someone taking heat for something
>they did not do. I seem to recall not so long ago the same thing
>happening to me. Which I might ad that when I e-mailed you Ed
>concerning that; I did'nt even get as much as a reply back. My point
>is; why should Tom be punished for the wrong doings of others?
Get real....Tom dug a very deep hole a long time ago. I've spent
countless hours viewing his messages, his ranting and arguing, and
IMHO Tom needs to
A. Get a life
B. Finish high school
C. Change his name and service provider after A & B have been
completed.
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Tim Wortman
NASS '96 Series Director
Visit the NASS '96 home page
http://www.webcom.com/twortman/nasscar/
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> >Let me first say that most of what Tom has to say here I usually do not > >agree with. This however seems to be someone taking heat for something > >they did not do. I seem to recall not so long ago the same thing > >happening to me. Which I might ad that when I e-mailed you Ed > >concerning that; I did'nt even get as much as a reply back. My point > >is; why should Tom be punished for the wrong doings of others? > Get real....Tom dug a very deep hole a long time ago. I've spent > countless hours viewing his messages, his ranting and arguing, and > IMHO Tom needs to > A. Get a life > B. Finish high school > C. Change his name and service provider after A & B have been > completed. > _______________________________________ > Tim Wortman > NASS '96 Series Director > Visit the NASS '96 home page > http://www.webcom.com/twortman/nasscar/ > _______________________________________Or possibly...
a) Stop posting binaries where they shouldn't
b) Learn a little about what they're doing before doing it
c) Show a little respect for other's time, feelings etc.
(a) is a usenet thing, (b) and (c) are a common-sense thing - you don't
need to spend time on the internet to grasp "netiquette". It's just
"etiquette" practised on the 'net. Sadly no-one seems to know much about
it anymore...
Cheers!
John
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>Dear Tom,
>I could care less if this is you or someone who keeps posting under
>your name. I welcome you to my kill file. this way, i'll never even
>see another message from you & all the other Tom Wardell's.
>Hailing frequencies closed.
You seemingly have a hard-on for loudly announcing additions to your
kill-file. Why not do it quietly like the great unwashed do? It ain`t
necessary to proclaim, massah.
PS. Add me. Don`t bother to confirm to the world.
PPS. It`s trite, I know, but you might consider proof-reading your
posts for grammatical errors before stabbing the Send button. Shoddy
penmanship only reflects badly on your company. Cheers.
writes
What was that telling phrase about people in glasshouses? It's never a
good idea to criticise someone else's grammar, particularly so if your
own isn't absolutely letter perfect. It smacks of childish oneupmanship.
Cheers!
John
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>writes >>PPS. It`s trite, I know, but you might consider proof-reading your >>posts for grammatical errors before stabbing the Send button. Shoddy >>penmanship only reflects badly on your company. Cheers. >What was that telling phrase about people in glasshouses? It's never a >good idea to criticise someone else's grammar, particularly so if your >own isn't absolutely letter perfect. It smacks of childish oneupmanship.>Incidentally, "criticise" has a "z" in it.
Look at John's email address before making a fool of yourself. John
lives in the UK, hence most definitely _NO_ 'z'.
If you, as (presumably) an American wishes to use a 'z' then that is
fine, but don't try and force it on those who invented the language
(even if John is actually a Scot...)
Cheers,
Richard
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>>Dear Tom, >>I could care less if this is you or someone who keeps posting under >>your name. I welcome you to my kill file. this way, i'll never even >>see another message from you & all the other Tom Wardell's. >>Hailing frequencies closed. >You seemingly have a hard-on for loudly announcing additions to your >kill-file. Why not do it quietly like the great unwashed do? It ain`t >necessary to proclaim, massah. >PS. Add me. Don`t bother to confirm to the world. >PPS. It`s trite, I know, but you might consider proof-reading your >posts for grammatical errors before stabbing the Send button. Shoddy >penmanship only reflects badly on your company. Cheers.>>Incidentally, "criticise" has a "z" in it.
>Look at John's email address before making a fool of yourself. John
>lives in the UK, hence most definitely _NO_ 'z'.
>If you, as (presumably) an American wishes to use a 'z' then that is
>fine, but don't try and force it on those who invented the language
>(even if John is actually a Scot...)
I think you`re wrong, old boy!
I am British and "criticize" is indeed spelt with a "z". Look it up.
I didn't know that! Isn't this just cool? You can browse a newsgroup, and
get an international spelling lesson at the same time!
Since it's easy to forget that R.A.S. is world-wide, I'd like to take this
opportunity to say HI to the whole planet!
(Hi planet!)
Mike
writes
There's a saying that people are never quite so stupid as when they're
trying to be smart. The word "criticise" generally only contains a "zee"
when it's used in American English. In "English", criticise is more
commonly spelt with an "s", although either version is perfectly correct
- but you already knew that I'm sure....
As for the grammatical flaws in your previous post, if you're not sure
enough of the accuracy of what you wrote to dismiss my comments out of
hand, how can you be sure that what you wrote was correct? Or even to
correct someone else's grammar? The point I was making, albeit somewhat
obliquely, is that we're not here to nit-pick over one another's
grammatical correctness or the lack thereof, we're here to talk racing.
Live and let live. :)
Cheers!
John
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>I think you`re wrong, old boy!
>I am British and "criticize" is indeed spelt with a "z". Look it up.
I seem to be getting a lot of practice at this....OK, I'm sorry.
I have now looked it up and according to my dictionary the use of 's'
or 'z' is optional. Therefore we're both wrong (and both right <g>).
The 'z' has always looked like an americanism to me.....
Cheers,
Richard
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Right On!
When I'm racing, I can hardly talk, let alone work on grammar!
Did you ever have your wife try to strike up a conversation when you're
on lap 30? It just doesn't fly! ...or maybe YOU do...right off the next
corner! I have enough trouble keeping my 'edge' without someone trying to
have a chat about what color to paint the deck! :-)
Does anyone else's wife do that to you?
Mike -the deck will be white, BTW. Decided between lap 14 and 16... ;-)
> Did you ever have your wife try to strike up a conversation when you're
> on lap 30? It just doesn't fly! ...or maybe YOU do...right off the next
> corner! I have enough trouble keeping my 'edge' without someone trying to
> have a chat about what color to paint the deck! :-)
> Does anyone else's wife do that to you?
Usually it goes like this:
"Mikko, blaa bla blaa blaa .."
"yeah, yeah, mmm"
then, after I've gotten on a good long straight:
PAUSE - "Now what were you talking about?"
or the oter alternative is that I do not remember talking to her at all-
but I find out laster that I've promised to do something, emhm, unfun :-/
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> Get real....Tom dug a very deep hole a long time ago. I've spent > countless hours viewing his messages, his ranting and arguing, and > IMHO Tom needs to > A. Get a life > B. Finish high school > C. Change his name and service provider after A & B have been > completed.Gee, Mikko.... last time I had one of those conversations, I ended up
buying something really expensive!
When it starts, I usually mumble the same "yeah, uh-huh, sure" stuff you
do, and then hope she's just telling me what a cool day she had. :-)
Mike -hope is not enough, now I pray!


































