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> >Whats up with this blatantly false advertising I see in PC Gamer and other > >mags with the two screen shots of ICR2. > >I can make my Indycar game look as shitty as the left picture too if I turn > >off all the details they turned off. And if I turn them all on I can make it > >looked like the one on the right and I don't need any $200 card to do it. > >I was actually considering this card until I see that they have to resort > >to cheap misrepresentation to sell their products.

Another example of someone that is evidently new to this "virtual" sport and doesnt have a understanding of Framerate and "filtering". Video is 30 fps, not too bad when you consider that thats faster than the mind can calculate. Also someone that gets irritated easy because he might not have a lousy 149.99 to afford the upgrade, Hell, I go buy almost 3 games these days and its that much. I paid 300 bucks for my Stealth 64 when it came out! 149.99 is not bad for the hottest card on the market! -DG

Whats up with this blatantly false advertising I see in PC Gamer and other mags with the two screen shots of ICR2. I can make my Indycar game look as shitty as the left picture too if I turn off all the details they turned off. And if I turn them all on I can make it looked like the one on the right and I don't need any $200 card to do it. I was actually considering this card until I see that they have to resort to cheap misrepresentation to sell their products.

Because of the lead time for printing magazines, the add has not been amended to show that both versions are running at the same framerate ~30fps. This disclaimer has been added to the ICR2 pictures on Intergraph's webpage. To get equal framerates on the two versions, you need to turn off quite a few of the details (almost all of them) in the original. With the Rendition Ready version on my slow P120, I get 30fps at full detail (including full mirror detail, 16-bit graphics, anti-aliasing, bi-linear filtering, perspective correction, etc...). Even without these added enhancements, I would still be lucky to get half that framerate with full graphical detail on the original. BTW, the card is only $149 now. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

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>>Whats up with this blatantly false advertising I see in PC Gamer and other mags >>with the two screen shots of ICR2. >>I can make my Indycar game look as shitty as the left picture too if I turn off >>all the details they turned off. And if I turn them all on I can make it >>looked like the one on the right and I don't need any $200 card to do it. >There is no way you can make ICR2 look as good without a Verite-based card >(any of the three that are currently available). Your current video card >won't anti-alias for one thing, and when you add the consideration that both >screenshots are runnning about 30fps, you can see why there's so many details >turned off. >As an example, I run a P5-166. Before I got the Reactor card, I could not run >withobjects, asphalt, or grass texture on and still get an acceptable frame >rate. *With* the Reactor, I run with *EVERYTHING* on and it's in the >neighborhood of 30-35 fps. >>I was actually considering this card until I see that they have to resort to >>cheap misrepresentation to sell their products. >Your loss. Intergraph is one of the best companies in terms of product >support I've ever seen in the computer industry (and I've been doing this >stuff for almost 20 years).

My P5-166 with Diamond Stealth 3400xl is getting 26-34 fps right NOW with full details - everything maxxed!! That is will full field with all cars forward and behind displayed - pace lap is around 26fps but once we spread out it moves to the 30's Granted I don't get the textured sky or transparent smoke but if I'm not mistaken you have to have SPECIAL versions of the programs to get those features anyway. I don't plan to re-buy existing games and am not sure that these minimal features are worth $150 and the sacrifice of my already kick-ass video card.

I was just curious to know what kind of framerates you are getting with Quake (assuming you have it). If you don't know how to check, with version 1.06 you can use the timedemo command. Just type 'timedemo demoX' at the console, were X is 1, 2, or 3. Quake will run the specified demo and report back your average fps. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

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> Whats up with this blatantly false advertising I see in PC Gamer and other mags > with the two screen shots of ICR2. > I can make my Indycar game look as shitty as the left picture too if I turn off > all the details they turned off. And if I turn them all on I can make it looked > like the one on the right and I don't need any $200 card to do it. > I was actually considering this card until I see that they have to resort to > cheap misrepresentation to sell their products.

How do you justify this remark about *blatantly false advertising*? For your information, when I run unaccelerated ICR2 and wish to keep the frame rate high, the auto frame rate function will often turn off quite a bit of detail. When I run Rendition ICR2, I get full 3d detail with antialiasing at 30fps dropping to 25+ fps in heavy traffic and we are talking about racing with the full field of cars. Rendition ICR2 will run full detail at greater than 50fps if you turn off the real time limiter, but then the game plays like it is in fast forward. Even if you could run unaccelerated ICR2 with full details on at 30fps, the quality of the detail on the Reactor is far better. The scenery in the background is photorealistic, the lettering on the sides of the cars and trackside billboards are very clearly readable due to filtering - no jaggie, pixelated textures. The control of the car is very smooth, I doubt that my CPU (P133) is breaking a sweat. But actually, you are correct in a way, the print ads are a form of false advertising in that it does NOT show the true power of the Reactor! I think that a screen shot at Laguna Seca would be more impressive. I also had reservations about buying the Reactor from the screenshots until I read an article about the Reactor and ICR2 by Eric Cid. Eric said it first and I'll repeat, you have to see it running to truly appreciate it. Based upon Eric's recommendation (he has a Reactor and an Orchid Righteous3D so he is not displaying any overt biases) I bought a Reactor 3 weeks ago. Regarding the *cheap misrepresentation to sell their product* statement, let me tell you about Intergraph. The salesperson was very polite, took my order and it was delivered less than 18hours later. I had a question about the max resolutions supported and asked on the video NG. I received an unsolicited email from Intergraph detailing the answer. The price was reduced recently to 149 (I paid 199). I am past the 14 day return window but Integraph cheerfully credited my charge card with $50. They were under no obligation to do so whatsoever. Does the phrase unsurpassed customer service mean anything to you? If you follow this NG or the video NG, you'll see that I am not an isolated case. In case you didn't know, Integraph is a highly respected company in the professional 3D CAD workstation market where customers pay big bucks and expect world class customer service. The fact that their newly formed consumer division carries on this tradition makes the Reactor such a remarkable bargain, especially at a price lower than the competition. And NO, I don't own Integraph stock -- YET. Regards.. Ed

OKAY - I'm almost sold on trying the Reactor card. What the hell - its only $149 and I've wasted that on 2-3 lousy games before. I do have a few questions for anyone who know... How many games out there support it? I don't wanna get caught up in a N64 scam and only get 2-3 games to go with my hardware purchase. Is MMX gonna make this card obsolete next year or will Reactor support the new MMX technology? I'm already on the upgrade path for MMX when it releases. What upcoming titles are going to use the REACTOR card. Are REACTOR titles full remakes of original titles or are they hacks like that Descent game that game with my Diamond Edge 3D and only had 7 levels. What are the maximum resolutions and scan refresh rates for this card. I cannot give up my 1280x1024 windows at 65000 colors. Is this card supported under Win95? Does it work with DirectX? Can it swap resolutions and color depth without rebooting Windows? I guess that's about it. If the Reactor can do everything it claims and not ***up my current way of life I will order one TODAY!

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>Whats up with this blatantly false advertising I see in PC Gamer and other >mags with the two screen shots of ICR2. >I can make my Indycar game look as shitty as the left picture too if I turn >off all the details they turned off. And if I turn them all on I can make it >looked like the one on the right and I don't need any $200 card to do it. >I was actually considering this card until I see that they have to resort >to cheap misrepresentation to sell their products.

What they were trying to do is show you the level of detail you get if you set up both video boards for a fluid frame rate, say 25-30 fps. I don't think there was any intention to mislead, in fact, if you look somewhere in the fine print, it explains what they did. As to turning on all detail and making it look like the Reactor screenshot, I'm afraid you're wrong. The Rendition chip does anti-aliasing, bilinear filtering and perspective correction, none of which your SVGA video board can do at any frame rate. You have to see the difference to believe it, especially when it's all happening at a solid 30 fps. Dave (davids) Sparks Late Night League http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

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> I was just curious to know what kind of framerates you are getting with > Quake (assuming you have it). If you don't know how to check, with > version 1.06 you can use the timedemo command. Just type 'timedemo > demoX' at the console, were X is 1, 2, or 3. Quake will run the > specified demo and report back your average fps. > -- > Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences > Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ > > the sacrifice of my already kick-ass video card.

What is the vquake update for on Intergraph's web site? I downloaded it and after moving the files, when I run the vquake program, it says only the registered version can accept changed files or something like that.

Currently there are not many. You can see a list of upcoming Rendition Ready titles at [link lost in import: /;In] addition to these titles, all games using Win95's Direct3D will also benefit from full hardware acceleration. It is also very fast at VESA 2.0 SVGA modes (just slightly slower then the ET-6000 cards). Since it has on board VESA, you don't need SciTech's Display Doctor to run Duke Nukem or Quake in Hi-RES. releases. No, the main benefit of MMX is the ability to run 24-bit color at 8-bit speeds. MMX and 3D accelerators are not mutually exclusive. See: [link lost in import: /;(also] all Direct3D titles) I'm not sure what your asking. The games that are bundled with the Reactor consist of one full game (ICR2) one patch for Quake (it also included the SW CD if you don't have it) and two trial versions (Monster Truck Madness and Hellbender). The upcoming titles are all new games that are designed to be enhanced with any of the Rendition cards. At 16-bit color the max resolution is 1280x1024. There are no 24-bit modes, and at 32-bit the max is 800x600. For more details see: [link lost in import] Yes. Yes. It supports DirectDraw and Direct3D. It is also a very fast with MPEGs. Yes. In the Display control panel, you can choose to include to Show Setting on Task Bar (basically the same as the QuickRes PowerToy). You can change resolutions and color depth on the fly. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

You first have to upgrade the basic Quake to 1.06 before you can use the new Vquake. There is a ~400k patch that will upgrade your version from 1.01-1.06. Get it from: ftp://206.86.0.31/idstuff/quake/q101-106.zip BTW, there should be another (even faster) VQuake beta available soon. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

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> Whats up with this blatantly false advertising I see in PC Gamer and other mags > with the two screen shots of ICR2. > I can make my Indycar game look as shitty as the left picture too if I turn off > all the details they turned off. And if I turn them all on I can make it looked > like the one on the right and I don't need any $200 card to do it. > I was actually considering this card until I see that they have to resort to > cheap misrepresentation to sell their products.

If what you are saying is that your vanilla ICR2 looks as good as the 3d enhanced version,you might want to take another look... Apart from some solid graphic improvements,you'll be running a higher graphical content at a nicely higher speed.. Take a look at the pics I've put up on my website! -- rgs, John. < http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2444/ >

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>Subject: Re: BOGUS Reactor Ads >Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:31:29 GMT >>>Whats up with this blatantly false advertising I see in PC Gamer and other mags >>>with the two screen shots of ICR2. >>>I can make my Indycar game look as shitty as the left picture too if I turn off >>>all the details they turned off. And if I turn them all on I can make it >>>looked like the one on the right and I don't need any $200 card to do it. >>There is no way you can make ICR2 look as good without a Verite-based card >>(any of the three that are currently available). Your current video card >>won't anti-alias for one thing, and when you add the consideration that both >>screenshots are runnning about 30fps, you can see why there's so many details >>turned off. >>As an example, I run a P5-166. Before I got the Reactor card, I could not run >>withobjects, asphalt, or grass texture on and still get an acceptable frame >>rate. *With* the Reactor, I run with *EVERYTHING* on and it's in the >>neighborhood of 30-35 fps. >>>I was actually considering this card until I see that they have to resort to >>>cheap misrepresentation to sell their products. >>Your loss. Intergraph is one of the best companies in terms of product >>support I've ever seen in the computer industry (and I've been doing this >>stuff for almost 20 years). >My P5-166 with Diamond Stealth 3400xl is getting 26-34 fps right NOW with full >details - everything maxxed!! That is will full field with all cars forward and >behind displayed - pace lap is around 26fps but once we spread out it moves to >the 30's >Granted I don't get the textured sky or transparent smoke but if I'm not >mistaken you have to have SPECIAL versions of the programs to get those features >anyway. I don't plan to re-buy existing games and am not sure that these >minimal features are worth $150 and the sacrifice of my already kick-ass video >card.

ICR2 the FULL version, comes with the Reactor card, I sold my old copy. Quake looks 200% better as well, I can't stand playing without the Rendition board version, it is a HUGE difference. l8r, Todd

says... I don't see any blantant false advertising. What mag are you reading? The one in Dec PC Gamer plainly says "graphics options for ~30 fps" right across the pictures. To get 30fps on my p166 it almost looks like the crappy pic on the left...until my reactor comes. Later..Chohan

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>Subject: Re: BOGUS Reactor Ads >Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 21:33:53 GMT >OKAY - I'm almost sold on trying the Reactor card. What the hell - its only >$149 and I've wasted that on 2-3 lousy games before. I do have a few questions >for anyone who know... >How many games out there support it? I don't wanna get caught up in a N64 scam >and only get 2-3 games to go with my hardware purchase. >Is MMX gonna make this card obsolete next year or will Reactor support the new >MMX technology? I'm already on the upgrade path for MMX when it releases. >What upcoming titles are going to use the REACTOR card. >Are REACTOR titles full remakes of original titles or are they hacks like that >Descent game that game with my Diamond Edge 3D and only had 7 levels. >What are the maximum resolutions and scan refresh rates for this card. I cannot >give up my 1280x1024 windows at 65000 colors. >Is this card supported under Win95? >Does it work with DirectX? >Can it swap resolutions and color depth without rebooting Windows? >I guess that's about it. If the Reactor can do everything it claims and not >screw up my current way of life I will order one TODAY!

You REALLY need to do a LITTLE research, like looking at their web page, all of this is answered there. http://www.intergraph.com/ics/reactor/ l8r, Todd

>Whats up with this blatantly false advertising I see in PC Gamer and other mags >with the two screen shots of ICR2. >I can make my Indycar game look as shitty as the left picture too if I turn off >all the details they turned off. And if I turn them all on I can make it >looked like the one on the right and I don't need any $200 card to do it. There is no way you can make ICR2 look as good without a Verite-based card (any of the three that are currently available). Your current video card won't anti-alias for one thing, and when you add the consideration that both screenshots are runnning about 30fps, you can see why there's so many details turned off. As an example, I run a P5-166. Before I got the Reactor card, I could not run withobjects, asphalt, or grass texture on and still get an acceptable frame rate. *With* the Reactor, I run with *EVERYTHING* on and it's in the neighborhood of 30-35 fps. Your loss. Intergraph is one of the best companies in terms of product support I've ever seen in the computer industry (and I've been doing this stuff for almost 20 years). /===================================================\ | John Simmons (Redneck Techno-Biker) | | http://www.paddedwall.org/john | \===================================================/

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>My P5-166 with Diamond Stealth 3400xl is getting 26-34 fps right NOW with >full >details - everything maxxed!! That is will full field with all cars >forward and >behind displayed - pace lap is around 26fps but once we spread out it moves >to >the 30's >Granted I don't get the textured sky or transparent smoke but if I'm not >mistaken you have to have SPECIAL versions of the programs to get those >features >anyway. I don't plan to re-buy existing games and am not sure that these >minimal features are worth $150 and the sacrifice of my already kick-ass >video >card.

This is just one of those things that you have to see to appreciate. I have a P5-166 and I can't tell you what a dramatic difference the Reactor 3D made in the quality of the display. It's so hard to go back to NASCAR after playing a version of ICR2 with Rendition enhancements. It's like driving a Porsche for awhile and then switching to a Honda Civic. They're both cars and they both get you from here to there, but the Civic just isn't anything to get e***d about. Dave (davids) Sparks Late Night League http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

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>>Whats up with this blatantly false advertising I see in PC Gamer and other >>mags with the two screen shots of ICR2. I can make my Indycar game look >>as shitty as the left picture too if I turn off all the details they >>turned off. And if I turn them all on I can make it looked like the one >>on the right and I don't need any $200 card to do it. >>I was actually considering this card until I see that they have to resort to >>cheap misrepresentation to sell their products. > I don't see any blantant false advertising. What mag are you reading? >The one in Dec PC Gamer plainly says "graphics options for ~30 fps" right >across the pictures. To get 30fps on my p166 it almost looks like the crappy >pic on the left...until my reactor comes.

In reality, the adverti***t doesn't do the board justice! I've had a Reactor since 10/17 and it Rocks! ICR2 is as smooth as silk and looks incredible (I posted some of my test results). Of all the computer upgrades I've ever installed, the Reactor ranks right up top in all catagories (non technical point of view): Immediately noticeable speed increase. Much better looking output (3D). Extremely reasonable price. I can't say enough about Intergraph (See Excellence). It was available when it was supposed to be. I got the board in 1 day. It worked the first try. (I admit text scrolling was slow until I heard about the Win95 Cursor Fix) Of course, Intergraph is testing new Drivers right now. To top that off Intergraph's price just went down to $150. I hope your sitting down for this --> Intergraph is gonna give me $50 back because I bought the board before the price went down! Hardware prices always go down after I buy a product (and I thought it was some effect I had on the computer industry). I was so suprised to hear about thier 30 price guarantee that I thought I died and went to computer consumer heaven. To any of you who are still on the fence about who you should buy a Rendition board from, I hope you decide to go with Intergraph. The best way to show that we appreciate companies that put the customer first is to make sure they are the ones that get our Dollars. Cya, Mike Radler

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>> Whats up with this blatantly false advertising I see in PC Gamer and other mags >> with the two screen shots of ICR2. >> I can make my Indycar game look as shitty as the left picture too if I turn off >> all the details they turned off. And if I turn them all on I can make it looked >> like the one on the right and I don't need any $200 card to do it. >> I was actually considering this card until I see that they have to resort to >> cheap misrepresentation to sell their products. >If what you are saying is that your vanilla ICR2 looks as good as the 3d >enhanced version,you might want to take another look... >Apart from some solid graphic improvements,you'll be running a higher >graphical content at a nicely higher speed.. >Take a look at the pics I've put up on my website! >-- >rgs, John. >< http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2444/ >

The ONLY thing I care about is if games I buy off the shelf will support this card or do I have to wait 1-3 months for an upgrade/patch to get the benefits. I've never seen a game on the shelf yet that supports a single brand of video card specifically...

>OKAY - I'm almost sold on trying the Reactor card. What the hell - its >only $149 and I've wasted that on 2-3 lousy games before. I do have a few >questions for anyone who know... >How many games out there support it? I don't wanna get caught up in a N64 >scam and only get 2-3 games to go with my hardware purchase. Native mode? Not many. Direct 3D is how most of the new game titles are going to support Rendition. If you want a list of current titles that support it, check out the Rendition website: [link lost in import] MMX is a way of making the host processor more efficient at tasks that the 3D cards are doing now. The whole point of a 3D accelerator is to offload those task from the host processor. The Reactor 3D makes MMX completely unnecessary, at least for video. Believe me though, Microsoft already has other ways lined up to steal your precious CPU cycles for other things, like DirectMusic, DirectSound. Not to mention that Motorola wants to sell you a software-based modem. Check out the Rendition website. The only full title that ships with the Reactor is ICR2. The others are shareware versions. As far as I know, the version of Quake that ships can be used with the full release of Quake, if you purchase it. The other titles are Microsoft Direct3D titles, so the full version will work on any video board that supports Direct3D. Sorry, don't have the info handy. I know I'm running 1024x768 at 16-bit. I was somewhat surprised to find out that with 4MB of video memory, you don't get 24-bit color at 1024x768, but it's not necessary for me. Yes. Yes. I think so, haven't tried it. There's always a possibility that there will be a conflict, the hardware world isn't perfect. But installation went very smoothly for me. Dave (davids) Sparks Late Night League http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

You don't really have access to all 4megs of video memory, as some is reserved for textures. I guess you could think of the board's available resolutions as those of a 3meg board. BTW, there are no 24-bit modes available at any resolution. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

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> >> Whats up with this blatantly false advertising I see in PC Gamer and other mags > >> with the two screen shots of ICR2. > >> I can make my Indycar game look as shitty as the left picture too if I turn off > >> all the details they turned off. And if I turn them all on I can make it looked > >> like the one on the right and I don't need any $200 card to do it. > >> I was actually considering this card until I see that they have to resort to > >> cheap misrepresentation to sell their products. > >If what you are saying is that your vanilla ICR2 looks as good as the 3d > >enhanced version,you might want to take another look... > >Apart from some solid graphic improvements,you'll be running a higher > >graphical content at a nicely higher speed.. > >Take a look at the pics I've put up on my website! > >-- > >rgs, John. > >< http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2444/ > > The ONLY thing I care about is if games I buy off the shelf will support this > card or do I have to wait 1-3 months for an upgrade/patch to get the benefits. > I've never seen a game on the shelf yet that supports a single brand of video > card specifically...

Look for games marked "Rendition Ready". Its new technology and you wont see a lot of them but you will.... -- David Anderson Customer Support Manager Intergraph Computer Systems Workstation Solutions

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> You don't really have access to all 4megs of video memory, as some is > reserved for textures. I guess you could think of the board's > available resolutions as those of a 3meg board. BTW, there are no > 24-bit modes available at any resolution. > -- > Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences > Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ > > Sorry, don't have the info handy. I know I'm running 1024x768 at > 16-bit. I > > was somewhat surprised to find out that with 4MB of video memory, you > don't > > get 24-bit color at 1024x768, but it's not necessary for me.

I may have misread a previous post. Our new driver (hang on, a day or so....) will support: Resolution----------Number of Colors---------Vertical Refresh 1280 X 1024---------64K-------------------------60, *72, *75 --------------------256, 16---------------------60, 72, 75 1152 x 864----------64K-------------------------60, 70, *75, *85 --------------------256, 16---------------------60, 70, 75, 85 1024 x 768----------64K, 256, 16----------------60, 70, 72, 75, 85 800 x 600-----------16.8M, 64K, 256, 16---------60, 72, 75, 85 640 x 480-----------16.8M, 64K, 256, 16---------60, 72, 75, 85, 120 * - Driver allows these values but exceeds guaranteed operating conditions Clear? -- David Anderson Customer Support Manager Intergraph Computer Systems Workstation Solutions

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> OKAY - I'm almost sold on trying the Reactor card. What the hell - its only > $149 and I've wasted that on 2-3 lousy games before. I do have a few questions > for anyone who know... > How many games out there support it? I don't wanna get caught up in a N64 scam > and only get 2-3 games to go with my hardware purchase. > Is MMX gonna make this card obsolete next year or will Reactor support the new > MMX technology? I'm already on the upgrade path for MMX when it releases. > What upcoming titles are going to use the REACTOR card. > Are REACTOR titles full remakes of original titles or are they hacks like that > Descent game that game with my Diamond Edge 3D and only had 7 levels. > What are the maximum resolutions and scan refresh rates for this card. I cannot > give up my 1280x1024 windows at 65000 colors. > Is this card supported under Win95? > Does it work with DirectX? > Can it swap resolutions and color depth without rebooting Windows? > I guess that's about it. If the Reactor can do everything it claims and not >***up my current way of life I will order one TODAY!

A new driver ready later this week/early next week will allow this resolution at 60Hz refresh. It will also allow you to select 72 and 75Hz but these are technically beyond the guaranteed performance of the rendition chipset. Other vendors advertize these rates but do not tell you that. Look for it on the web SOON. -- David Anderson Customer Support Manager Intergraph Computer Systems Workstation Solutions

Thanks to everyone for all the info - I ordered my card today. Apparently the best way to get valuable info on a product is to bash it in an open forum then let everyone defend it.....

: Can it swap resolutions and color depth without rebooting Windows? i just want to point out that this rebooting thing is a software imposed limitation for compatibility and that nearly all cards can do this w/o problems if windows would let them try. i'd also like to say that microsoft's website (the win95 section) has a package called PowerToys that includes a taskbar-based tool for these changes w/o rebooting on all cards. -carlos

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>: Can it swap resolutions and color depth without rebooting Windows? >i just want to point out that this rebooting thing is a software imposed >limitation for compatibility and that nearly all cards can do this w/o >problems if windows would let them try. >i'd also like to say that microsoft's website (the win95 section) has a >package called PowerToys that includes a taskbar-based tool for these >changes w/o rebooting on all cards.

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You don't even need Quickres to do it. Just check the 'Show Settings Icon on Taskbar' in the Display Control Panel. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

> You don't even need Quickres to do it. Just check the 'Show Settings > Icon on Taskbar' in the Display Control Panel. Where is this?

It's on the Settings tab of the Display Control Panel in the lower left corner. I believe it's installed with DirectX. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

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> It's on the Settings tab of the Display Control Panel in the lower left > corner. I believe it's installed with DirectX. > -- > Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences > Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ > > Where is this?

I don't have this on the Settings screen, and I did install the drivers that came with the card. Sounds like others don't have it either. I'm sure I have DirectX, MTM runs great with hardware acceleration. Strange. -- "Feel Lucky, Scubaboy?" - Discovery Channel, Shark Week, 1995

ICR2 with the Rendition version is FREE with the Reactor card from Intergraph. BTW, I bought the card for $199 and 1 week later the lowered the price for Christmas to $149. For the first time I've ever heard, they gave me my $50.00 back, no questions. If that isn't amazing, I don't know what is. As for the card...there's no way yours looks like the Rendition version...it's like driving a photo..no other way to describe it. Not saying your card isn't good, but it can't compare to a Rendition version of ICR2 with the Reactor card. It's just not a level playing field. Ken Hower