Hes taking my old case, putting in a gforce3, 256 megs ram, soundblaster, and
the 1.6 for $575.00
GPL, N4 and such...
your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
Dude, I think you got the nomenclature crossed up. The AMD Athlon XP's
are named "1500+" to "2200+". It's supposed to state the "real"
performance of it. Marketingbabble, but however, quite true. At least
when it comes to ***, but that's what we're here for ain't it? ;-)
The Athlons are aces and even though the P4's are closing in the best
bang for the buck, easy. The VIA based motherboards that you'll
probably use, not so much... but it's manageable nowadays.
There are two types of Celerons, P2 architecture and P3 architecture. The P2
ones were very slow teh P3 ones were OK. However you'll get a much better
solution with an AMD Athlon XP or an Intel P4. The Geforce 3 was a good card
but there are some cheap detuned ones out there, a better bet would be a
Geforce 4. Having said that there are some GF4's that are slower than GF
3's - confused? I'm not surprised.
I would check out some prices in local PC mags for PC bits to see if you are
getting a good deal.
Andi.
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
> Hes taking my old case, putting in a gforce3, 256 megs ram, soundblaster, and
> the 1.6 for $575.00
> GPL, N4 and such...
> your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash
There are pro's and con's to both processors. It depends on what you are
after, overall.
-Larry
-Larry
> There are two types of Celerons, P2 architecture and P3 architecture. The
P2
> ones were very slow teh P3 ones were OK. However you'll get a much better
> solution with an AMD Athlon XP or an Intel P4. The Geforce 3 was a good
card
> but there are some cheap detuned ones out there, a better bet would be a
> Geforce 4. Having said that there are some GF4's that are slower than GF
> 3's - confused? I'm not surprised.
> I would check out some prices in local PC mags for PC bits to see if you
are
> getting a good deal.
> Andi.
> > are they any good? Am looking at having a new computer put together for
> me and
> > I am being told that the p-3 1.6 is just as fast as most p4 1.4's at a
> fraction
> > of the price. The guy said that five years ago they werent very good
for
> > ***, but are now the processor to have. Is this right?
> > Hes taking my old case, putting in a gforce3, 256 megs ram,
soundblaster,
> and
> > the 1.6 for $575.00
> > GPL, N4 and such...
> > your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
> > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
structures,....and
> > the....." - Ash
> > > are they any good? Am looking at having a new computer put together
for
> me and
> > > I am being told that the p-3 1.6 is just as fast as most p4 1.4's at a
> fraction
> > > of the price. The guy said that five years ago they werent very good
> for
> > > ***, but are now the processor to have. Is this right?
> > > Hes taking my old case, putting in a gforce3, 256 megs ram,
> soundblaster, and
> > > the 1.6 for $575.00
> > > GPL, N4 and such...
> > > your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
-Larry
motherboard chipset problems
beyond that, IMO, they're
> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash
> are they any good?
Gerry
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
> -Larry
> > Athlons are cheaper and faster, if you are willing to live with the
> motherboard chipset problems
> > that tend to plague them, its the way to go. Bang for the buck, yes,
> beyond that, IMO, they're
> > still behind in reliability/stability to the more expensive P4..
> > --
> > Biz
> > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> > the....." - Ash
> > > are they any good? Am looking at having a new computer put together for
> me and
> > > I am being told that the p-3 1.6 is just as fast as most p4 1.4's at a
> fraction
> > > of the price. The guy said that five years ago they werent very good
> for
> > > ***, but are now the processor to have. Is this right?
> > > Hes taking my old case, putting in a gforce3, 256 megs ram,
> soundblaster, and
> > > the 1.6 for $575.00
> > > GPL, N4 and such...
> > > your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
Don't get fooled by the Mghz. The Athlons perform more instructions
per clock cycle then the Pentium 4's. The 1.73 Mghz Athlon will
perform about the same as a P4 2.1 Mghz (hence the name - XP 2100) The
high end P4's will slightly edge out the high end AMD's but you will
pay about $500 more... for me the Athlon was an easy choice.
Brian Oster
But when I upgraded from an SIS735 board (ECS K7S5A) to my KT333 board
(Gigabyte GA-7VRXP), I just installed the newest 4-in-1's on a fresh install
of XP and I haven't had a single problem. Newer VIA chipsets and drivers
are a vast improvement from where they were two years ago...
I think one thing that still makes sysadmins a bit wary of AMD is that
they've just barely started to require motherboard manufacturers to use the
internal thermal diode on the CPU. Without that, a heat emergency almost
always ends in death of the CPU on an AMD setup, even if you're right there
when it happens. On a P4, it doesn't even crash. That's a major difference
in possible downtime for systems that aren't going to have people right
there when they go down...
Performance and stability (as far as crashes, not heat), though, are quite
equal with P4s and AMD XP's. The only time the P4 outdoes the XP is when
the P4 has an extreme clock speed advantage - say, the 2.4 and 2.53GHz P4's
versus the XP2100+ and 2200+, running at 1.73 and 1.80GHz respectively.
Price/performance wise, especially for a home user, AMD is the way to go, in
my opinion. And they've been striving to be server friendly as of late -
look at platform stability. Even the oldest SocketA boards can run a 1.4GHz
Thunderbird or a 1.3GHz Duron. Move forward just a little bit to the
earliest SocketA boards that could support a 133MHz FSB and you can
generally run any SocketA CPU on it. Intel, on the other hand, has changed
platforms at least twice since AMD went with SocketA - from Socket370 to
423, and from 423 to 478. Not to mention the SDRAM/DDR RAM/RDRAM mess...
Milhouse
I have to disagree with
servers yet either, so I'm
equal, you'd see a huge
> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash
> > It's much better than it was 2 years ago. I don't think the Chipset is
an
> > issue any more, personally.
> > -Larry
> > > Athlons are cheaper and faster, if you are willing to live with the
> > motherboard chipset problems
> > > that tend to plague them, its the way to go. Bang for the buck, yes,
> > beyond that, IMO, they're
> > > still behind in reliability/stability to the more expensive P4..
> > > --
> > > Biz
> > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
structures,....and
> > > the....." - Ash
> > > > are they any good? Am looking at having a new computer put together
for
> > me and
> > > > I am being told that the p-3 1.6 is just as fast as most p4 1.4's at
a
> > fraction
> > > > of the price. The guy said that five years ago they werent very
good
> > for
> > > > ***, but are now the processor to have. Is this right?
> > > > Hes taking my old case, putting in a gforce3, 256 megs ram,
> > soundblaster, and
> > > > the 1.6 for $575.00
> > > > GPL, N4 and such...
> > > > your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
Don Burnette
I have to disagree with
servers yet either, so I'm
equal, you'd see a huge
> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash
> > It's much better than it was 2 years ago. I don't think the Chipset is
an
> > issue any more, personally.
> > -Larry
> > > Athlons are cheaper and faster, if you are willing to live with the
> > motherboard chipset problems
> > > that tend to plague them, its the way to go. Bang for the buck, yes,
> > beyond that, IMO, they're
> > > still behind in reliability/stability to the more expensive P4..
> > > --
> > > Biz
> > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
structures,....and
> > > the....." - Ash
> > > > are they any good? Am looking at having a new computer put together
for
> > me and
> > > > I am being told that the p-3 1.6 is just as fast as most p4 1.4's at
a
> > fraction
> > > > of the price. The guy said that five years ago they werent very
good
> > for
> > > > ***, but are now the processor to have. Is this right?
> > > > Hes taking my old case, putting in a gforce3, 256 megs ram,
> > soundblaster, and
> > > > the 1.6 for $575.00
> > > > GPL, N4 and such...
> > > > your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
Good luck
Peregrine
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Asus P4S533
Gainward 128Mb Ti4200 Golden Sample 340/580Mhz
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2 x 20GB Seagate Barracudda III's
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Aopen 24x CD Writer
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3DMark2001 Default Score 12597
> > Hes taking my old case, putting in a gforce3, 256 megs ram,
soundblaster,
> and
> > the 1.6 for $575.00
> > GPL, N4 and such...
> > your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
