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Braking

Steve Smit

Braking

by Steve Smit » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:23:12

Any auto repair shop usually has a cornucopia of springs, some of which will
fit.  Or just add some *** bands.

[When the Vatican elects a new Pope, they signal the world waiting outside
with a puff of white smoke.]


jason moy

Braking

by jason moy » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:26:14

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:03:05 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>There is one other issue w. trail braking: tire heat (or overheating).  On a
>mostly-lefts track like Nose Ring (or, worse, Badone), perfect trail braking
>will put more heat in the RF tire (you're nearer the NE edge of the traction
>circle than true magnetic north; i.e., you're leaning harder on the RF),
>which, as Achim and others have pointed out, seems to suffer from a bug in
>the N2003 executable, and tends to run hotter than the other tires no matter
>what.  Thus, if the RF is getting into the yellow under straight-line
>braking, it will probably ease into the red under trail-braking.  Discuss
>among yourselves.

"Adjust the stagger and crossweight" =)

Jason

jason moy

Braking

by jason moy » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:26:49


Vice versa.

Jason

Darryl Johnso

Braking

by Darryl Johnso » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:09:59


The Vatican uses different colours of smoke to annouce to the world
which candidate was elected as the new Pope. They may use smoke
signals on other occasions as well -- not that versed (pun intended)
on Roman Catholicism,

And "v.v." means vice versa (from other message).

We've got to get you out more Eldred. <VBG>
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Steve Smit

Braking

by Steve Smit » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:25:01

[v.v. = vice versa]


Steve Smit

Braking

by Steve Smit » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:55:12

Fair enuf, but no matter what adjustments you make, trail braking will still
put more heat into the outside tires, particularly the outside front.


> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:03:05 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> >There is one other issue w. trail braking: tire heat (or overheating).
On a
> >mostly-lefts track like Nose Ring (or, worse, Badone), perfect trail
braking
> >will put more heat in the RF tire (you're nearer the NE edge of the
traction
> >circle than true magnetic north; i.e., you're leaning harder on the RF),
> >which, as Achim and others have pointed out, seems to suffer from a bug
in
> >the N2003 executable, and tends to run hotter than the other tires no
matter
> >what.  Thus, if the RF is getting into the yellow under straight-line
> >braking, it will probably ease into the red under trail-braking.  Discuss
> >among yourselves.

> "Adjust the stagger and crossweight" =)

> Jason

Byron John Forbe

Braking

by Byron John Forbe » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:16:34


> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:47:06 GMT, "Byron John Forbes"

> >   Just to be totally clear, when one does this one is depressing the
brake
> >pedal by the smallest amount possible. Gently scrubbing off speed is a
> >better term to use than "braking". Every little bit helps to keep one out
of
> >the sand traps :)

> While I'm not the greatest trailbraker in the world, I usually think
> of it as slowly releasing the brake pedal as I turn in until I'm fully
> off the brakes just before I reach the corner apex.  I can't do it
> consistently, but when I do get it right it's amazing how much better
> the car turns since you're keeping the weight on the front wheels.

   Yep, that's it exactly. What I said previously was actually for the
situation where one is almost out of control but can still probably get away
with a fraction of braking. Coming into parabolica a bit hot is probably a
good example.
jason moy

Braking

by jason moy » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:51:58

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:55:12 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>Fair enuf, but no matter what adjustments you make, trail braking will still
>put more heat into the outside tires, particularly the outside front.

"Use harder compounds for the front tires"

Damn I wish we had a new champcar sim.

Jason

jason moy

Braking

by jason moy » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:53:35

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:16:34 GMT, "Byron John Forbes"


>   Yep, that's it exactly. What I said previously was actually for the
>situation where one is almost out of control but can still probably get away
>with a fraction of braking. Coming into parabolica a bit hot is probably a
>good example.

Parabolica is a great place to practice trailbraking.  If you ease off
too soon you'll end up in the sand, if you don't ease off enough
you'll end up in the sand, if you get it right you just nicely drift
through the corner almost to the exact point where the kerb starts on
the right and you can apply full throttle.

Jason

Goy Larse

Braking

by Goy Larse » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:12:31

I think the single discovery that earned me the most time in the post
GPL era of sims from Papy was when I stopped turning in on a trailing
throttle, I brake late and hard and downshift as fast as possible, but I
try to get back on the throttle before I turn in, makes a world of
difference to the stability of the car, I don't trailbrake unless I've
braked too late :-D

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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Steve Smit

Braking

by Steve Smit » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:16:11

You guys BRAKE for the 'bolica?  What's next - feathering the throttle thru
Eau Rouge or backing off for the Masta kink, I suppose....


> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:16:34 GMT, "Byron John Forbes"

> >   Yep, that's it exactly. What I said previously was actually for the
> >situation where one is almost out of control but can still probably get
away
> >with a fraction of braking. Coming into parabolica a bit hot is probably
a
> >good example.

> Parabolica is a great place to practice trailbraking.  If you ease off
> too soon you'll end up in the sand, if you don't ease off enough
> you'll end up in the sand, if you get it right you just nicely drift
> through the corner almost to the exact point where the kerb starts on
> the right and you can apply full throttle.

> Jason

Eldre

Braking

by Eldre » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:14:47


moyer) writes:

>>v.v.?

>Vice versa.

Oh, DUH!  I can't believe I didn't get that one.
I think I'm losing it...

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Braking

by Eldre » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:14:47



>And "v.v." means vice versa (from other message).

>We've got to get you out more Eldred. <VBG>

Too much on my mind, I guess... :-(

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Braking

by Eldre » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:14:47



>Any auto repair shop usually has a cornucopia of springs, some of which will
>fit.  Or just add some *** bands.

Hmm...I'll check that out.

Wow - you learn something new every day...<g>

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Braking

by Eldre » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:14:47


writes:

That sounds like what I described earlier, except it actually WORKS for you...

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