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Nascar4 User Interface - This annoying on purpose?

Rick

Nascar4 User Interface - This annoying on purpose?

by Rick » Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:40:20


>Please use your brain.  It's obvious that while racing offline with a
>goal to practice your skills, final race results are not important.

Your problem is in order for someone to be "using their brain", you think
it means they must be agreeing with you.  I don't race offline to practice
my skills.  I race offline to have fun against supposedly competent AI.  
The only thing that's "obvious", genius, is that we're not both looking for
the same thing out of N4, and the difference is I accept your opinion as
yours without thinking that makes you an idiot.  Maybe you only play
online.  Maybe you only play with five other cars on the track.  Maybe you
just like watching downloadable replays.  Whatever the case, if the game
has some glaring design flaws in any of your pet areas, I wouldn't blame
you for voicing your dissatisfaction with it.

I just want to run a reasonable 1/3 to 1/2 length race against the AI and
if things go horribly wrong, be it the incredibly adept AI <cough>, an
interruption in the real world, or just me screwing the poop and putting
her into the wall, to not be forced to lose the one or two hour investment
I have going in a good race.  You, the genius, are telling me, the idiot,
that I'm playing N4 "wrong"?  Hehe, that makes me giddy.  Thanks for the
tip, Einstein.

This is just flat wrong depending on the track.

You don't, maybe I do for reasons you might not possibly be able to
comprehend.  That's not stupidity, that's different preferences.  See
above.

I don't know, I have no idea what being part of the "MTV-generation" is
supposed to mean.  I'm 36 but I have seen some VH-1.  I'll even admit I
enjoy Pop-Up Videos when I happen to catch them on the way up to the
History Channel.  They usually last three to four minutes, though, not just
five seconds.

Real genuises understand that human interaction is not about "putting up
with all the idiots in the world", it's about understanding that diversity
of preference and opinion is ultimately mankind's strength and that
everyone, EVERYONE, brings something to the table.

Good luck on your trek (a long one, I suspect) through maturity.

All the best,
Rick

Marc Collin

Nascar4 User Interface - This annoying on purpose?

by Marc Collin » Thu, 08 Mar 2001 22:58:28

Of course, but it doesn't change the point.

Marc.



Collins"

> >Or, he doesn't drive with a full field.  It's easy to avoid the AI with
half
> >a dozen of them on the track.  Try it with 42.

> Assuming his system will RUN with 42 other cars...  He might have a slower
> system, and has to decrease the number to get good framerates.

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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Dog-Le

Nascar4 User Interface - This annoying on purpose?

by Dog-Le » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 04:16:10

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No shit.  The AI will rip your fenders off at Lowe's.

-Larry



> > Tell that to the AI....

> > Blues


> > > Stop wrecking.

>     Indeed.  Doesn't the AI have a spotter that >tells<
> him "car inside?"  Apparently not...

>     John DiFool

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ymenar

Nascar4 User Interface - This annoying on purpose?

by ymenar » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:18:02

<snip>

You snipped the portion when I answered you with the basic idea that you
should back off and let the field catch you again.  Just mentally think your
on the same lap.  Perhaps it went right over your head.  Or just press
PAUSE.

But nooooo, you had to go in a random psycho-boring-babble and
simile-flaming.  And be stupid enough to think seriously of my .sig. HA!
Nice try...

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Eldre

Nascar4 User Interface - This annoying on purpose?

by Eldre » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 06:48:30


(Rick E.) writes:

>>Please use your brain.  It's obvious that while racing offline with a
>>goal to practice your skills, final race results are not important.

>Your problem is in order for someone to be "using their brain", you think
>it means they must be agreeing with you.  I don't race offline to practice
>my skills.  I race offline to have fun against supposedly competent AI.  
>The only thing that's "obvious", genius, is that we're not both looking for
>the same thing out of N4, and the difference is I accept your opinion as
>yours without thinking that makes you an idiot.  Maybe you only play
>online.  Maybe you only play with five other cars on the track.  Maybe you
>just like watching downloadable replays.  Whatever the case, if the game
>has some glaring design flaws in any of your pet areas, I wouldn't blame
>you for voicing your dissatisfaction with it.

Not to defend Ymenard, this is what he responded to:


> Once again, for those who didn't get it the first time <ahem>, the problem
> is in order to get practice in N4, you have to keeping loading the track
> every time you make a single mistake

This suggests that you were only trying to practice to improve your
skills/driving.  There's nothing there that says you were simply trying to
compete against the AI.
<shrug>

Eldred
--
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Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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with experience...
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Rick

Nascar4 User Interface - This annoying on purpose?

by Rick » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:55:52


>You snipped the portion when I answered you with the basic idea that you
>should back off and let the field catch you again.  Just mentally think
>your on the same lap.  Perhaps it went right over your head.  Or just
>press PAUSE.

Yes, that's much more fun than actually trying to run a race in a <gasp>
"racing sim".

Yawn.

- Rick

Rick

Nascar4 User Interface - This annoying on purpose?

by Rick » Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:01:43


>> Once again, for those who didn't get it the first time <ahem>, the
problem
>> is in order to get practice in N4, you have to keeping loading the track
>> every time you make a single mistake
>This suggests that you were only trying to practice to improve your
>skills/driving.  There's nothing there that says you were simply trying
>to compete against the AI.
><shrug>

The thread was I didn't like the fact that you can't save a race, or even
restart one without exiting the track and reloading it.  Some smartass said
"practice more", so I said, "fair enough, problem is is that even
practicing racing in a pain in the ***with this user interface, IMHO."

- Rick

Eldre

Nascar4 User Interface - This annoying on purpose?

by Eldre » Wed, 14 Mar 2001 04:26:24


(Rick E.) writes:

>>> Once again, for those who didn't get it the first time <ahem>, the
>problem
>>> is in order to get practice in N4, you have to keeping loading the track
>>> every time you make a single mistake

>>This suggests that you were only trying to practice to improve your
>>skills/driving.  There's nothing there that says you were simply trying
>>to compete against the AI.
>><shrug>

>The thread was I didn't like the fact that you can't save a race, or even
>restart one without exiting the track and reloading it.  Some smartass said
>"practice more", so I said, "fair enough, problem is is that even
>practicing racing in a pain in the ***with this user interface, IMHO."

Fair enough. <g>

Eldred
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