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The "Future" is here?

Tom Pabs

The "Future" is here?

by Tom Pabs » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:10:59

Hi guys.....

I just read an article about the upcoming EA release of its new "NASCAR
Thunder" for PC........under new developership at Tiburon (using the ISI, F1
series engine).  I don't recall the URL (didn't save it)....but you can find
it off the Team Lightspeed website and read it for yourself.

Promising?  Sure.....and maybe the "hype" isn't all empty this time.  Seems
they are targeting the Papy *** of the NASCAR titles........right or
wrong.....Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think....but that's another
story.

What did catch my eye was three words:  Track editor included!

Now.....what would be perfect is to have it say, "Track editor, 3D car
editor and physics model editor.....included."  If we had that, we'd have
caught up to the flight sim community and we could stop having to wait for
"this or that" title to be released....only to be disappointed once again
from one aspect or another (the WSC story is a classic example).  The
*** sim racing community needs their own racing sim....period.  It is
my opinion this will not hurt sim racing PC title sales....it will enhance
it.  At least, that has been the case in the flight sim community for some
five years now.  People interested in casual PC ***......don't want
*** simulation "games" anyway.  A few of those.....migrate to become
full time, *** hobbyist.....whether it be flight sims, personal shooter
sims......or racing sims.  The vast majority of sales.....are to the casual
gamers...and it will always remain that way, IMHO.

Somebody is going to figure this industry out........put out a good
"universally modifiable" racing sim.......charge some type of a subscription
fee for "official" hacks and updates (probably gleaned from the "best of the
best" sim community hackers, artists and programmers...and share some
revenue with them - finally!).....make a killing (deservedly so, IMHO) and
make me very happy.

How about you guys?

Regards,

Tom

PS:  Here's all the things I do now......that I'm growing tired of doing (I
just want to race in a couple of good weekly leagues.....do a few pick up
races now and then with buddies....and have time to actually practice):

1.    Installing a new racing sim title that is junk (then finding someplace
to keep it in case somebody makes a hack that makes it good....just in
case).
2.    Building computers so a racing sim will look good, have decent frame
rates and be enjoyable to drive
3.    Upgrading hardware on the computers I build....sometimes only a few
weeks later.
4.    Searching for a controller that feels like real-world racing
controls.....and works in all sims (the same).
5.    Throwing away old controllers that didn't work for more than a few
weeks.
6.    Throwing away old controllers that worked great.....but not in any
current racing sim I like.
7.    Constantly searching for updates and hacks on the Internet.....so I
can enjoy the current sim I'm playing around with.
8.    Uninstalling hacks and updates that are junk.......but the "author"
thinks they are great.
9.    Reading discussions about frame rates......and video cards.
10.  Reading ras posts about:  "What video card should I buy?"
11.  Constantly searching the Internet for articles to stay
"educated".....on which video card I should buy.
12.  Watching two different (and talented) racing sim hacker groups.....do
incompatible work on the same sim......trying to compete with each other.
13.  Make "multiplayer" work on 8 different sims.
14.  Keep up to date on what leagues are available for me to participate
in......on 8 different sims.
15.  Waiting for "official patch" releases....so a promising sim I bought
three weeks ago....will actually work right.
16.  Racing against AI cars that will run in to me.....unless I'm going
exactly the same speed they are.
17.  Racing against 10 AI cars....so my frame rates stay above 30
FPS....even though I built the fastest computer in the world.....three weeks
ago!
18.  Paying $500 for set of racing pedals.......that cost $100 to
make......and that work just like the $50 plastic set I threw away last
week.
19.  "Fdisk-ing" anything....because my favorite racing sim doesn't work
right.
20.  Installing "car sets" on a developer's sim title.....that look like the
real-world race cars in the series it is supposed to simulate.

I could go on and on.....but I'm getting tired of posting on ras.  I just
want to race!

TAZ

The "Future" is here?

by TAZ » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:24:43

Right on dude!!!

I want TEN back!! Those few years of racing on TEN were great!! and that was
with dial-up back then.
With high speed access now-a-days it would be even better!!!

Papy's online SUCKS. What are they thinking, come on.

I miss racing the same high skill guys everynight, especially at dega, we
would be 3 wide for 10 laps and nobody would wreck.
You can't beat that!!!

Is anybody listening, bring back TEN, or something like it!!

-TAZ


David Powel

The "Future" is here?

by David Powel » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 03:46:40

All the top guys only race in leagues now....open races are just full of
muppets that cant get into leagues.....theres a fine racing community for
papy games, just it doesnt happen on open servers now the size of
communities has increased and a greater ammount of kids and non serious
players turn up.. Same has happened to GPL none of the top drivers race open
races and therefor VROC is just awash with newbies crashing into each other
rather than the old nights of quality race and race......

Seems the old days of small ammounts of more didicated drivers finding a
haven to race on the net are gone, as now every tom*** and harry has a PC
and internet connection, 3-4years ago the only people who went to the net
for *** in race sims were the very ***, and therefor a more
didicated, quaility and race rule/etiqeutte aware society could be made...

With every kid on the net nowadays theres alot of casuals and "i got the
game today how do i race online" drivers, certainly N4, N2002 and GPL arent
the games you pickup and race online after 1 night, i played GPL for 6months
offline before i came online, and caused problems for the AI not humans
players..

Plus its prolly a little harder in the sims of today to race 3 wide :)


> Right on dude!!!

> I want TEN back!! Those few years of racing on TEN were great!! and that
was
> with dial-up back then.
> With high speed access now-a-days it would be even better!!!

> Papy's online SUCKS. What are they thinking, come on.

> I miss racing the same high skill guys everynight, especially at dega, we
> would be 3 wide for 10 laps and nobody would wreck.
> You can't beat that!!!

> Is anybody listening, bring back TEN, or something like it!!

> -TAZ



> > Hi guys.....

> > I just read an article about the upcoming EA release of its new "NASCAR
> > Thunder" for PC........under new developership at Tiburon (using the
ISI,
> F1
> > series engine).  I don't recall the URL (didn't save it)....but you can
> find
> > it off the Team Lightspeed website and read it for yourself.

> > Promising?  Sure.....and maybe the "hype" isn't all empty this time.
> Seems
> > they are targeting the Papy *** of the NASCAR titles........right
or
> > wrong.....Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think....but that's
> another
> > story.

> > What did catch my eye was three words:  Track editor included!

> > Now.....what would be perfect is to have it say, "Track editor, 3D car
> > editor and physics model editor.....included."  If we had that, we'd
have
> > caught up to the flight sim community and we could stop having to wait
for
> > "this or that" title to be released....only to be disappointed once
again
> > from one aspect or another (the WSC story is a classic example).  The
> > *** sim racing community needs their own racing sim....period.  It
is
> > my opinion this will not hurt sim racing PC title sales....it will
enhance
> > it.  At least, that has been the case in the flight sim community for
some
> > five years now.  People interested in casual PC ***......don't want
> > *** simulation "games" anyway.  A few of those.....migrate to
become
> > full time, *** hobbyist.....whether it be flight sims, personal
> shooter
> > sims......or racing sims.  The vast majority of sales.....are to the
> casual
> > gamers...and it will always remain that way, IMHO.

> > Somebody is going to figure this industry out........put out a good
> > "universally modifiable" racing sim.......charge some type of a
> subscription
> > fee for "official" hacks and updates (probably gleaned from the "best of
> the
> > best" sim community hackers, artists and programmers...and share some
> > revenue with them - finally!).....make a killing (deservedly so, IMHO)
and
> > make me very happy.

> > How about you guys?

> > Regards,

> > Tom

> > PS:  Here's all the things I do now......that I'm growing tired of doing
> (I
> > just want to race in a couple of good weekly leagues.....do a few pick
up
> > races now and then with buddies....and have time to actually practice):

> > 1.    Installing a new racing sim title that is junk (then finding
> someplace
> > to keep it in case somebody makes a hack that makes it good....just in
> > case).
> > 2.    Building computers so a racing sim will look good, have decent
frame
> > rates and be enjoyable to drive
> > 3.    Upgrading hardware on the computers I build....sometimes only a
few
> > weeks later.
> > 4.    Searching for a controller that feels like real-world racing
> > controls.....and works in all sims (the same).
> > 5.    Throwing away old controllers that didn't work for more than a few
> > weeks.
> > 6.    Throwing away old controllers that worked great.....but not in any
> > current racing sim I like.
> > 7.    Constantly searching for updates and hacks on the Internet.....so
I
> > can enjoy the current sim I'm playing around with.
> > 8.    Uninstalling hacks and updates that are junk.......but the
"author"
> > thinks they are great.
> > 9.    Reading discussions about frame rates......and video cards.
> > 10.  Reading ras posts about:  "What video card should I buy?"
> > 11.  Constantly searching the Internet for articles to stay
> > "educated".....on which video card I should buy.
> > 12.  Watching two different (and talented) racing sim hacker
groups.....do
> > incompatible work on the same sim......trying to compete with each
other.
> > 13.  Make "multiplayer" work on 8 different sims.
> > 14.  Keep up to date on what leagues are available for me to participate
> > in......on 8 different sims.
> > 15.  Waiting for "official patch" releases....so a promising sim I
bought
> > three weeks ago....will actually work right.
> > 16.  Racing against AI cars that will run in to me.....unless I'm going
> > exactly the same speed they are.
> > 17.  Racing against 10 AI cars....so my frame rates stay above 30
> > FPS....even though I built the fastest computer in the world.....three
> weeks
> > ago!
> > 18.  Paying $500 for set of racing pedals.......that cost $100 to
> > make......and that work just like the $50 plastic set I threw away last
> > week.
> > 19.  "Fdisk-ing" anything....because my favorite racing sim doesn't work
> > right.
> > 20.  Installing "car sets" on a developer's sim title.....that look like
> the
> > real-world race cars in the series it is supposed to simulate.

> > I could go on and on.....but I'm getting tired of posting on ras.  I
just
> > want to race!

David Powel

The "Future" is here?

by David Powel » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 03:48:51

If EA is to crack Papys hold on the Nascar market there gonna have to do a
hell of lot better than F12002 as a package....

N2002 is the most complete sim out there, tracks aside :) EA/ISI project is
a joke compared....

I dont think Papy have much to fear from ISI and EA...yet...


Schoone

The "Future" is here?

by Schoone » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 03:54:10

"Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think"
How so?


Goy Larse

The "Future" is here?

by Goy Larse » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 04:36:25


> "Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think"
> How so?

Well, for one they have all their eggs in one basket these days, there
are only so many Nascar fans out there waiting for a Nascar sim, and
some day someone will get close enough to give Papy some competition,
NHeat wasn't a bad effort

I believe they should expand and do an AussieV8 sim

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Olav Malmi

The "Future" is here?

by Olav Malmi » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 04:41:20



> > "Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think"
> > How so?

> Well, for one they have all their eggs in one basket these days, there
> are only so many Nascar fans out there waiting for a Nascar sim, and
> some day someone will get close enough to give Papy some competition,
> NHeat wasn't a bad effort

> I believe they should expand and do an AussieV8 sim

lol! You never give up do you ? :)

By the way, how would you fancy some payment for NR2002 ? I need
details.

And if you didn't know it, Jeeves and Wooster, the second season is
out on DVD in GB, availiable for 9.99 including shipping from
www.play.com. A must have. :D

Off topic rant over

--
Olav Malmin
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ymenar

The "Future" is here?

by ymenar » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 05:22:28


> Papy's online SUCKS.

No.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

ymenar

The "Future" is here?

by ymenar » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 05:23:09


>Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think....but that's another
> story.

Well I stopped reading right after that line.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Schoone

The "Future" is here?

by Schoone » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 05:41:46

So did I pretty much :)



> >Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think....but that's another
> > story.

> Well I stopped reading right after that line.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Schoone

The "Future" is here?

by Schoone » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 05:42:51

I think Tom is probably concerned about the shade of the grass at Sears
Point, someone will get it right and then Papy will be doomed ;)



> >Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think....but that's another
> > story.

> Well I stopped reading right after that line.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Goy Larse

The "Future" is here?

by Goy Larse » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 05:40:48


> lol! You never give up do you ? :)

If I give up they might not do one

I keep forgetting, some business man I am eh, I'll send you an e-mail
when I get down to the shop tomorrow with the details, thx for reminding
me

Definitive must have, I need to get this stuff, been promising myself
forever it seems

I say, jolly good show old chap

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Jan Verschuere

The "Future" is here?

by Jan Verschuere » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 06:04:17

Point taken.

That what we said about F1 2000 and Crammond/Ubisoft two years ago.

Jan.
=---

John Pancoas

The "Future" is here?

by John Pancoas » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 07:10:03

  Saw this article a few days ago.  What caught my eye was the notes about
multi,(towards the end of the article, which says a lot where their
priorities are IMO) which in typical EA fashion, isn't good.

John


John Pancoas

The "Future" is here?

by John Pancoas » Sat, 06 Jul 2002 07:11:46

  Agreed Heat wasn't a bad effort, but how many play it now compared to the
Papy sims..................one has excellent multi.........one doesn't.

John



> > "Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think"
> > How so?

> Well, for one they have all their eggs in one basket these days, there
> are only so many Nascar fans out there waiting for a Nascar sim, and
> some day someone will get close enough to give Papy some competition,
> NHeat wasn't a bad effort

> I believe they should expand and do an AussieV8 sim

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--


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