> Well I stopped reading right after that line.
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steve
<snip>
Kermit speaking <g>
The problem is that there are quite a few of us who are reasonably
competent drivers (I'm not giving myself delusions here; I'm no
alien, but I can - usually! - go more than 30 yards without crashing
and allow lapping cars to pass safely, which seems to be beyond some
people), but for whatever reason don't have the time/inclination to
commit to a league.
I must say, I rather resent the idea (not that you've said so, but
some have implied as much, even if they didn't mean to) that this
means we're by definition incompetents. It's true that there are too
many drivers who don't know the first thing about racecraft, but if
you avoid Monza and go for longer and/or Pro races, you avoid a great
deal of that type of aggro. I don't know why, but Spa seems to be
mostly free of the madmen, which is great as it's such a nice track
:-)
Incidentally, it's not *quite* true that none of the top guys race on
pickups - I've raced in the last month against people who were
lapping in the 1:03s at the Glen, sub-8:00 at the Ring and in the
1:26s at Silverstone (not clock smashes either) - though I accept
that it's not very common.
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Athletics: Gt Britain & NI European Cup winners
Keep those flags up!
The GPL Scrapyard: http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard
Better than that, they could do a general car sim. It could ship with Aussie
V8s if you like, as long as it is nice and expandable so F1, DTM, Formula
Fords, historic racers and ride-on lawnmowers can all be "plugged in" in the
future.
Papy's netcode is brilliant, only Carmack and Q3 beats GPL online. :0)
Jim
I'd settle for anything that's still driven sideways on occasion. ;-))
Jan.
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> I'd settle for anything that's still driven sideways on occasion. ;-))
the memories.... :)
--
Olav Malmin
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If it can collect the complex data that it does now, it can _certainly_
collect this easy stuff.
-Larry
> I want TEN back!! Those few years of racing on TEN were great!! and that
was
> with dial-up back then.
> With high speed access now-a-days it would be even better!!!
> Papy's online SUCKS. What are they thinking, come on.
> I miss racing the same high skill guys everynight, especially at dega, we
> would be 3 wide for 10 laps and nobody would wreck.
> You can't beat that!!!
> Is anybody listening, bring back TEN, or something like it!!
> -TAZ
> > Hi guys.....
> > I just read an article about the upcoming EA release of its new "NASCAR
> > Thunder" for PC........under new developership at Tiburon (using the
ISI,
> F1
> > series engine). I don't recall the URL (didn't save it)....but you can
> find
> > it off the Team Lightspeed website and read it for yourself.
> > Promising? Sure.....and maybe the "hype" isn't all empty this time.
> Seems
> > they are targeting the Papy *** of the NASCAR titles........right
or
> > wrong.....Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think....but that's
> another
> > story.
> > What did catch my eye was three words: Track editor included!
> > Now.....what would be perfect is to have it say, "Track editor, 3D car
> > editor and physics model editor.....included." If we had that, we'd
have
> > caught up to the flight sim community and we could stop having to wait
for
> > "this or that" title to be released....only to be disappointed once
again
> > from one aspect or another (the WSC story is a classic example). The
> > *** sim racing community needs their own racing sim....period. It
is
> > my opinion this will not hurt sim racing PC title sales....it will
enhance
> > it. At least, that has been the case in the flight sim community for
some
> > five years now. People interested in casual PC ***......don't want
> > *** simulation "games" anyway. A few of those.....migrate to
become
> > full time, *** hobbyist.....whether it be flight sims, personal
> shooter
> > sims......or racing sims. The vast majority of sales.....are to the
> casual
> > gamers...and it will always remain that way, IMHO.
> > Somebody is going to figure this industry out........put out a good
> > "universally modifiable" racing sim.......charge some type of a
> subscription
> > fee for "official" hacks and updates (probably gleaned from the "best of
> the
> > best" sim community hackers, artists and programmers...and share some
> > revenue with them - finally!).....make a killing (deservedly so, IMHO)
and
> > make me very happy.
> > How about you guys?
> > Regards,
> > Tom
> > PS: Here's all the things I do now......that I'm growing tired of doing
> (I
> > just want to race in a couple of good weekly leagues.....do a few pick
up
> > races now and then with buddies....and have time to actually practice):
> > 1. Installing a new racing sim title that is junk (then finding
> someplace
> > to keep it in case somebody makes a hack that makes it good....just in
> > case).
> > 2. Building computers so a racing sim will look good, have decent
frame
> > rates and be enjoyable to drive
> > 3. Upgrading hardware on the computers I build....sometimes only a
few
> > weeks later.
> > 4. Searching for a controller that feels like real-world racing
> > controls.....and works in all sims (the same).
> > 5. Throwing away old controllers that didn't work for more than a few
> > weeks.
> > 6. Throwing away old controllers that worked great.....but not in any
> > current racing sim I like.
> > 7. Constantly searching for updates and hacks on the Internet.....so
I
> > can enjoy the current sim I'm playing around with.
> > 8. Uninstalling hacks and updates that are junk.......but the
"author"
> > thinks they are great.
> > 9. Reading discussions about frame rates......and video cards.
> > 10. Reading ras posts about: "What video card should I buy?"
> > 11. Constantly searching the Internet for articles to stay
> > "educated".....on which video card I should buy.
> > 12. Watching two different (and talented) racing sim hacker
groups.....do
> > incompatible work on the same sim......trying to compete with each
other.
> > 13. Make "multiplayer" work on 8 different sims.
> > 14. Keep up to date on what leagues are available for me to participate
> > in......on 8 different sims.
> > 15. Waiting for "official patch" releases....so a promising sim I
bought
> > three weeks ago....will actually work right.
> > 16. Racing against AI cars that will run in to me.....unless I'm going
> > exactly the same speed they are.
> > 17. Racing against 10 AI cars....so my frame rates stay above 30
> > FPS....even though I built the fastest computer in the world.....three
> weeks
> > ago!
> > 18. Paying $500 for set of racing pedals.......that cost $100 to
> > make......and that work just like the $50 plastic set I threw away last
> > week.
> > 19. "Fdisk-ing" anything....because my favorite racing sim doesn't work
> > right.
> > 20. Installing "car sets" on a developer's sim title.....that look like
> the
> > real-world race cars in the series it is supposed to simulate.
> > I could go on and on.....but I'm getting tired of posting on ras. I
just
> > want to race!
NR2002 suffers from "AI that turns left regardless of what's around them"
worse than anything I've ever driven.
Try a 43 car race at Texas. Say.... 20% at 100% strength. I doubt you'll
survive.
-Larry
> John
> > > "Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think"
> > > How so?
> > Well, for one they have all their eggs in one basket these days, there
> > are only so many Nascar fans out there waiting for a Nascar sim, and
> > some day someone will get close enough to give Papy some competition,
> > NHeat wasn't a bad effort
> > I believe they should expand and do an AussieV8 sim
> > Beers and cheers
> > (uncle) Goy
> > http://www.theuspits.com
> > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> > --Groucho Marx--
> > I believe they should expand and do an AussieV8 sim
> Aussie V8's? Someone say aussie v8's?? We want aussie v8's!!!
> steve
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
> I just read an article about the upcoming EA release of its new "NASCAR
> Thunder" for PC........under new developership at Tiburon (using the ISI, F1
> series engine). I don't recall the URL (didn't save it)....but you can find
> it off the Team Lightspeed website and read it for yourself.
> Promising? Sure.....and maybe the "hype" isn't all empty this time. Seems
> they are targeting the Papy *** of the NASCAR titles........right or
> wrong.....Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think....but that's another
> story.
> What did catch my eye was three words: Track editor included!
> Now.....what would be perfect is to have it say, "Track editor, 3D car
> editor and physics model editor.....included." If we had that, we'd have
> caught up to the flight sim community and we could stop having to wait for
> "this or that" title to be released....only to be disappointed once again
> from one aspect or another (the WSC story is a classic example). The
> *** sim racing community needs their own racing sim....period. It is
> my opinion this will not hurt sim racing PC title sales....it will enhance
> it. At least, that has been the case in the flight sim community for some
> five years now. People interested in casual PC ***......don't want
> *** simulation "games" anyway. A few of those.....migrate to become
> full time, *** hobbyist.....whether it be flight sims, personal shooter
> sims......or racing sims. The vast majority of sales.....are to the casual
> gamers...and it will always remain that way, IMHO.
> Somebody is going to figure this industry out........put out a good
> "universally modifiable" racing sim.......charge some type of a subscription
> fee for "official" hacks and updates (probably gleaned from the "best of the
> best" sim community hackers, artists and programmers...and share some
> revenue with them - finally!).....make a killing (deservedly so, IMHO) and
> make me very happy.
> How about you guys?
> Regards,
> Tom
> PS: Here's all the things I do now......that I'm growing tired of doing (I
> just want to race in a couple of good weekly leagues.....do a few pick up
> races now and then with buddies....and have time to actually practice):
> 1. Installing a new racing sim title that is junk (then finding someplace
> to keep it in case somebody makes a hack that makes it good....just in
> case).
> 2. Building computers so a racing sim will look good, have decent frame
> rates and be enjoyable to drive
> 3. Upgrading hardware on the computers I build....sometimes only a few
> weeks later.
> 4. Searching for a controller that feels like real-world racing
> controls.....and works in all sims (the same).
> 5. Throwing away old controllers that didn't work for more than a few
> weeks.
> 6. Throwing away old controllers that worked great.....but not in any
> current racing sim I like.
> 7. Constantly searching for updates and hacks on the Internet.....so I
> can enjoy the current sim I'm playing around with.
> 8. Uninstalling hacks and updates that are junk.......but the "author"
> thinks they are great.
> 9. Reading discussions about frame rates......and video cards.
> 10. Reading ras posts about: "What video card should I buy?"
> 11. Constantly searching the Internet for articles to stay
> "educated".....on which video card I should buy.
> 12. Watching two different (and talented) racing sim hacker groups.....do
> incompatible work on the same sim......trying to compete with each other.
> 13. Make "multiplayer" work on 8 different sims.
> 14. Keep up to date on what leagues are available for me to participate
> in......on 8 different sims.
> 15. Waiting for "official patch" releases....so a promising sim I bought
> three weeks ago....will actually work right.
> 16. Racing against AI cars that will run in to me.....unless I'm going
> exactly the same speed they are.
> 17. Racing against 10 AI cars....so my frame rates stay above 30
> FPS....even though I built the fastest computer in the world.....three weeks
> ago!
> 18. Paying $500 for set of racing pedals.......that cost $100 to
> make......and that work just like the $50 plastic set I threw away last
> week.
> 19. "Fdisk-ing" anything....because my favorite racing sim doesn't work
> right.
> 20. Installing "car sets" on a developer's sim title.....that look like the
> real-world race cars in the series it is supposed to simulate.
> I could go on and on.....but I'm getting tired of posting on ras. I just
> want to race!
> NR2002 suffers from "AI that turns left regardless of what's around them"
> worse than anything I've ever driven.
> Try a 43 car race at Texas. Say.... 20% at 100% strength. I doubt you'll
> survive.
> -Larry
> > Agreed Heat wasn't a bad effort, but how many play it now compared to
> the
> > Papy sims..................one has excellent multi.........one doesn't.
> > John
> > > > "Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think"
> > > > How so?
> > > Well, for one they have all their eggs in one basket these days, there
> > > are only so many Nascar fans out there waiting for a Nascar sim, and
> > > some day someone will get close enough to give Papy some competition,
> > > NHeat wasn't a bad effort
> > > I believe they should expand and do an AussieV8 sim
> > > Beers and cheers
> > > (uncle) Goy
> > > http://www.theuspits.com
> > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> > > --Groucho Marx--
TP
> Well I stopped reading right after that line.
> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...
