rec.autos.simulators

by **Tom Pabs** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 00:47:37

SPR has already been fixed.....weeks ago.

TP

> I think Tom is probably concerned about the shade of the grass at Sears
> Point, someone will get it right and then Papy will be doomed ;)

> > >Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think....but that's another
> > > story.

> > Well I stopped reading right after that line.

> > --
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> > -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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by **Schoone** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 00:59:43

So you just mentioned it with nothing to back it up to trying and start an
issue?

> Figured many wouldn't agree with that....so I didn't go into it (Papy's
> vulnerability wasn't germane to the post anyway).

> TP

> > >Papy has left themselves vulnerable I think....but that's another
> > > story.

> > Well I stopped reading right after that line.

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **SimRace** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 01:46:09

You mean NR2002 has AI for offline racing? LOL! :) Didn't know that feature
was included...that's the problem with NR2002, there is the faction that
could care less if there even was an AI and those that think the AI is the
only way to race it.

by JM » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 01:53:16

125164.news.dfncis.de:

I play the BriSCA HEAT mods (contact short oval racing) and can confirm
that the AI are quite capable of being buried into the armco when you put
the bumper in! The players are equally accomodating in online racing. (I'm
in a league with 40 regular attenders each week).

Even taking the regular NASCAR cars out on the short ovals, I've had no
problem "asserting my presence" on them, so I guess you're talking about
nuding the back of the AI car on the side at, say 180mph on the super
speedway?

cheers
John

by JM » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 01:57:07

Are you on crack, mate?
It was a perfectly on topic comment. Papy put all their eggs in the NASCAR
basket, so it's no surprise that vulnerability would get a mention in a
post about a future NASCAR game.

John

by **Schoone** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 02:04:51

If they put all their eggs in one basic with NASCAR then how does that make
them vulnerable in the NASCAR sim area??
That's like saying Coke put all their eggs into the soda biz and thus are
vulnerable to some new soda company that might start up.

> > So you just mentioned it with nothing to back it up to trying and
> > start an issue?

> Are you on crack, mate?
> It was a perfectly on topic comment. Papy put all their eggs in the
NASCAR
> basket, so it's no surprise that vulnerability would get a mention in a
> post about a future NASCAR game.

> John

by **Mike** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 02:15:35

King of wishful thinking. Cant see how a money grabber like EA will release
a sim that will hurt the sales of its future sims, unless they do the normal
thing amd release the exact same sim jazzed up a little a year later and
make it imcompatible with previous versions.

by **Haqsa** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 02:52:49

Might depend on the mod then. Once I took the attitude "if you can't
beat them join them" and tried a race at Bristol. I did not
deliberately try to wreck any of them, but I didn't hesitate to bang
them if they got in the way either. None of them left the track, they
just swerved and regained control. And frankly I didn't have much
trouble staying on either. I once did the same thing in N4 and got
completely different results - cars all over the infield, often
including me, pile-ups big enough to completely stop traffic. But
regardless, the thing that still bothered me most about Heat's AI was
the fact that if you brake a little sooner than them you get rammed,
every time. Or come out on the straight during a practice session, if
the track's not clear you're going to get rammed. The AI is on rails
and doesn't seem to know you are there. Probably this does not affect
more skillful drivers because you aren't as slow as I am. But at least
Papy's AI can adjust to my ability, Heat's can't.

by **ymenar** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 03:06:42

> If they put all their eggs in one basic with NASCAR then how does that
make
> them vulnerable in the NASCAR sim area??

Well that's my point also. Tom's post (btw Tom I'm not putting down your
opinion) is for me irrelevant because I feel that while indeed Papyrus lacks
shamely in non-NASCAR sims for almost 3+ years now, for one thing they
completely solidified their feet in the asphalt of NASCAR sims for the PC.
Nobody can barely even touch them there for the next 3 years.

At most, somebody could say that only doing NASCAR sims puts horse
blindfolds on the eyes of the people at Papyrus.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **ymenar** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 03:08:05

> I don't understand why WON doesn't track Wins, Top-5's and Top-10's like
TEN
> did. As well as poles.

Because it's not important anymore `:) Serious pickup racing is dead.

I remember something about that in N4, where an AI bot would perform this
task of getting the rankings from others in the chat arenas (checking the
profiles of each driver).

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Schoone** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 03:33:46

I think Papy is aware of the market, which right now is NASCAR and thus the
reason for the focus.

F1 is currently saturated, CART/IRL is a waste of effort for a small market,
as are most other US based racing series.
Yes there are other countries and series but I think when you look at the
market the sales are just not their to justify the effort.

> > If they put all their eggs in one basic with NASCAR then how does that
> make
> > them vulnerable in the NASCAR sim area??

> Well that's my point also. Tom's post (btw Tom I'm not putting down your
> opinion) is for me irrelevant because I feel that while indeed Papyrus
lacks
> shamely in non-NASCAR sims for almost 3+ years now, for one thing they
> completely solidified their feet in the asphalt of NASCAR sims for the PC.
> Nobody can barely even touch them there for the next 3 years.

> At most, somebody could say that only doing NASCAR sims puts horse
> blindfolds on the eyes of the people at Papyrus.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 04:35:15

> Ok here's the Plan. We get Papy to Code a CART sim with an Aussie V8
> hidden side program. Then when you press the game pad up 3 times over twice
> and circle the dpad around backwards like an Aussie toliet, then you can
> race the V8's.
> dave henrie

Funny :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 04:36:03

> > I believe they should expand and do an AussieV8 sim

> Aussie V8's? Someone say aussie v8's?? We want aussie v8's!!!

I keep saying it all the time, it's just that none of the people who
knows how to make a half decent sim wants to make one it seems

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 04:39:27

> Agreed Heat wasn't a bad effort, but how many play it now compared to the
> Papy sims..................one has excellent multi.........one doesn't.

As stated in other threads, MP isn't all that important to the majority
of sim buyers, if it was you'd see a whole lot more people doing pickup
racing on Sierra/Won/Whatever, we the enthusiasts may think it's
important, but there's not enough of us to make a difference, if we did
we'd have GPL2 by now

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 04:40:12

> > I believe they should expand and do an AussieV8 sim

> Better than that, they could do a general car sim. It could ship with Aussie
> V8s if you like, as long as it is nice and expandable so F1, DTM, Formula
> Fords, historic racers and ride-on lawnmowers can all be "plugged in" in the
> future.

> Papy's netcode is brilliant, only Carmack and Q3 beats GPL online. :0)

Fair enough, as long as I gets my AussieV8's :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

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