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N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

Alastair Ingra

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by Alastair Ingra » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:19:12

How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to run?
How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my
$50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem
with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed
tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you
can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at least
I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant.

--
Alastair Ingram
www.saxlessons.com

DStampe

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by DStampe » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:51:54

P3 450, V5 5500  1208 RAM.  It ran fine for me after I downloaded new
drivers for V5.  Now it won't run at all in D3D and is to slow to run in
open GL.  It's always this way with really new games.  You just have to keep
trying different things, bugging tech support, upgrade as you can afford to
and eventually it will work. Its always that way for me so don't give up
just keep trying different things

Good Luck

David Samper
Diamond Star Racing
http://webpages.charter.net/dstamper


Jag

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by Jag » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:31:14


thus spoke:

If it won't run in D3D on a V5 then you must have something wrong
somewhere. Runs fine on a V5 in D3D using vs-w9x-1.04.01-beta.exe
drivers. His won't run due to the copy protection and his specific
cdrom drive.
--
Jagg

BCla

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by BCla » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:11:16

The readme file has quite a few listings on things they know there are bugs
for. Read that and see if there is something that might correspond to the
problem you are having. There are some suggestions on how to fix some
problems.


| How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to
run?
| How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my
| $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem
| with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed
| tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you
| can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at
least
| I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant.
|
| --
| Alastair Ingram
| www.saxlessons.com
|
|

Marc Collin

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by Marc Collin » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:46:51

I have a CD-ROM that won't install on my system (Panasonic DVD player), but
would install (at 1/100th the normal speed) through a mapped drive to a
CD-ROM on another machine over my LAN.  The Panasonic can get enough of a
signal from the disc to launch the game on my machine.

If I return it, I can' it use it at all.  If I wait, it will undoubtedly be
past the return period.

Sierra needs to say, now, that they will replace the CD's for those people
with problems at the point of sale.

Marc.


> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:19:12 GMT, "Alastair Ingram"

> >How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to
run?
> >How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my
> >$50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem
> >with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed
> >tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you
> >can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at
least
> >I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant.

> Alastair, why don't you return the game and wait for the fix?
> If you bought it somewhere that won't take it back, then
> Sierra has a money-back guarantee. You can find out about it
> on their site. www.sierra.com

> I can really understand your frustration, though.

Steve Rosk

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by Steve Rosk » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:58:19

Alastiar:
You're not alone.  I have only been able to get the game to run with the
no-cd exe, but I can't race online.  I've loaded all the latest drivers.  I
think this is related to my cd-rom.  It's an old (slow) one.  What kind of
cd-rom do you have?  My symptom;  click on "run" on N4 opening screen, see
hourglass for 30 seconds while cd spins, then nothing.  No cd activity,
ALT-CONTROL-DEL indicates game is not running.  I received an email from
Sierra saying to try all latest drivers and to try to (temporarily) disable
my SBL Live joy port, but those things didn't help me.

Steve

Mike Grand

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by Mike Grand » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:01:49

I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your
hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus uses. They
are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm sure they
will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra.

--
Mike Grandy
Precision Racing
www.precision-racing.com

Alan Bernard

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by Alan Bernard » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:50:01


Sierra is full of ***this time.  Drivers will do nothing for the problem
some of us are having.  I do believe Sierra knew full well that the copy
protection scheme they were going to use was going to shut out 10% of the
people from playing the game.

So right now I have two options.  Use the WAREZ (nice word, ain't it,
Sierra?) fix/no-cd and forget about the WON servers, or else go through that
convoluted process of disabling port-tabbing out-enabling port-going back
in-reconfiguring wheel crap.

I've chosen to go the WAREZ way, for the most part, only occasionally going
the other route to get onto the servers.

There is always Kali and just plain TCP/IP with friends.  And then there's
the hope that IRF gets updated to include N4.

There might be quite a few people who just decide to return N4 and then get
the WAREZ version, something which Sierra wanted to prevent but with this CD
thing has only encouraged.

Such is life.

Alanb

Alan Bernard

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by Alan Bernard » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:58:16


It is Papyrus' problem.  They knew the scheme they were using caused
problems and they could have used a different scheme.  It's very easy to get
N4 on the net, so what's the sense?

Alanb

Cliff Roma

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by Cliff Roma » Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:59:52

I doubt that they will replace the CDs, just guessing but what I think they
would do is in the patch change it so that it does not look for the CD in
the drive and then just rely on the cd-key for online protection.

That is honestly just a guess


> I have a CD-ROM that won't install on my system (Panasonic DVD player),
but
> would install (at 1/100th the normal speed) through a mapped drive to a
> CD-ROM on another machine over my LAN.  The Panasonic can get enough of a
> signal from the disc to launch the game on my machine.

> If I return it, I can' it use it at all.  If I wait, it will undoubtedly
be
> past the return period.

> Sierra needs to say, now, that they will replace the CD's for those people
> with problems at the point of sale.

> Marc.



> > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:19:12 GMT, "Alastair Ingram"

> > >How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to
> run?
> > >How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent
my
> > >$50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this
problem
> > >with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have
e-mailed
> > >tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If
you
> > >can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at
> least
> > >I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant.

> > Alastair, why don't you return the game and wait for the fix?
> > If you bought it somewhere that won't take it back, then
> > Sierra has a money-back guarantee. You can find out about it
> > on their site. www.sierra.com

> > I can really understand your frustration, though.

Jeff Cause

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by Jeff Cause » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:07:07

Alastair,

I've seen some suggestions elsewhere that you need to contact the
manufacturer of your CD-ROM drive to find out when(if) they plan to
implement support for SecureRom copy protection.

--
Jeff Causey
FrogDog Racing
www.frogdogracing.com
Home of the FrogDog *** Racing School
Member of the raceserver.net network of servers


18pAC

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by 18pAC » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:03:16

I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE
FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!!


Olav K. Malm

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by Olav K. Malm » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:24:45


> I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE
> FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!!

What exactly are you trying to say ? It's definately not english :)



> > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to
> run?
> > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my
> > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem
> > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed
> > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you
> > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at
> least
> > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant.

> > --
> > Alastair Ingram
> > www.saxlessons.com

--
Olav K. Malmin
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Cliff Roma

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by Cliff Roma » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:34:39

Your brother must have got you that job


> I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE
> FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!!



> > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to
> run?
> > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent
my
> > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem
> > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed
> > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you
> > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at
> least
> > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant.

> > --
> > Alastair Ingram
> > www.saxlessons.com

ymenar

N4- How long are we supposed to wait?

by ymenar » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:40:50


> I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE
> FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!!

Okay troll.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.


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