the Geforce family of cards. You should be able to get one for under $100.
What kind of sound carddo you have.
--
Mike Grandy
Precision Racing
www.precision-racing.com
--
Mike Grandy
Precision Racing
www.precision-racing.com
> >Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more and
more
> >companies are going to newer types of security for their games, thanks to
> >all the crooks out there.
> One more time: It is NOT thanks to "all the crooks out there". It is
> thanks to pea-brained technologically ignorant suits at Sierra who
> can't get it through their infinitely thick skills that copy
> protection has always had exactly one function - inconveniencing
> legitimate customers. Period.
> Joe McGinn
> _____________________
> Radical Entertainment
What you say of course is true. However, I have a lot of games and only two
have this problem, and one was fixed, I think. But my argument again is
that if Papyrus knew they'd be able to avoid users having this CD problem by
not using a particular copy protection scheme, then they should have used
the least problematic method. To say Papyrus used the scheme to prevent
piracy doesn't work, since they've prevented nothing.
I went out and got a new wheel-- which I badly needed-- that uses a USB
port, so maybe I wont' have to worry about the CD problem. All I'll need to
do is disable the joystick port.
Alanb
> >> There is no way any producer can produce a game that is guarenteed to
work
> >> on 100% of the systems out there.
> >> Don Burnette
> >That's not the point. The point is that Papyrus knew their scheme would
> >cause some problems. So they did know that on some systems their game
would
> >not run.
> >Alanb
> FWIW, my guess is that the developer, Papyrus, had nothing to do
> with the copy protection applied to N4. It was SIERRA, the publisher,
> that did this.
Alanb
> --
> Don Burnette
> > > Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more
and
> more
> > > companies are going to newer types of security for their games, thanks
> to
> > > all the crooks out there. It's sad that they have to do this, but I
> don't
> > > blame them one bit.
> > Let me get this straight. Because of all these stinking crooks out
> > there, it's perfectly okay & logical to you for Papy to use a protection
> > scheme that doesn't make the pirates so much as miss a beat but yet
> > penalizes the legitimate owners who paid for their software? Hello??
> > There seems to be a hole in this logic. Now if the pirates were
> > virtually stopped with this technology, I suppose one could argue that
> > those who were having trouble were just a necessary "price" for the
> > protection. But such is far from the case.
> > Works great on my system, BTW, but I still think it's BS. It doesn't
> > have to happen to me directly for me to get indignant over the treatment
> > legitimate paying consumers are getting.
> > --
> > Fester
>> FWIW, my guess is that the developer, Papyrus, had nothing to do
>> with the copy protection applied to N4. It was SIERRA, the publisher,
>> that did this.
>Thanks, I didn't know. That's why I tried to reference both Sierra and
>Papyrus in my posts.
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
Don's whole point is that sure, we may be able to do it and may know of
where to get a crack, but the general public does not. Those of us that
know how and know where to find the crack are in the minority.. way in the
minority
> > --
> > Don Burnette
> > > > Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more
> and
> > more
> > > > companies are going to newer types of security for their games,
thanks
> > to
> > > > all the crooks out there. It's sad that they have to do this, but I
> > don't
> > > > blame them one bit.
> > > Let me get this straight. Because of all these stinking crooks out
> > > there, it's perfectly okay & logical to you for Papy to use a
protection
> > > scheme that doesn't make the pirates so much as miss a beat but yet
> > > penalizes the legitimate owners who paid for their software? Hello??
> > > There seems to be a hole in this logic. Now if the pirates were
> > > virtually stopped with this technology, I suppose one could argue that
> > > those who were having trouble were just a necessary "price" for the
> > > protection. But such is far from the case.
> > > Works great on my system, BTW, but I still think it's BS. It doesn't
> > > have to happen to me directly for me to get indignant over the
treatment
> > > legitimate paying consumers are getting.
> > > --
> > > Fester
Besides, here in the UK -- for example -- I work in an unskilled sector
(retail) where PC ownership has taken off steadily in recent years. Even
if most of the people I know with PCs aren't what you'd call power users,
when faced with the prospect of getting something for nothing it's
remarkably how resourceful people become... everyone seems to know someone
who has a friend who can copy or "get hold of" software. It's just an
extension of the underground marketplace for cheap booze, cigarettes, and
videos (these days DVDs) that's depressingly widespread. Putting obstacles
in their way doesn't stop anything, just makes them wait a little longer
before someone finds the solution. Spending $xx now or waiting two weeks
until little Johnny down the road, or the bloke in the pub's found an
answer isn't a hard decision.
I long ago learned to back away from discussing this kind of issue,
because m***posturing doesn't go down too well among many people I work
with.
No disagreement on that! :-)
Andrew McP
> Don's whole point is that sure, we may be able to do it and may know of
> where to get a crack, but the general public does not. Those of us that
> know how and know where to find the crack are in the minority.. way in the
> minority
> > Just so you know I was able to copy the game 1 day after I bought it and
i
> > know absolutely nothing about warez or cracking. My reason for copying
> was
> > so I could put my original away where it won't get damaged and use the
> > backup to play. I've had games in the past that required the cd to play
> and
> > don't think much of having to purchase them a second time if the
grandkids
> > get hold of the cd.
> > Don
> > > Yes, I do think it is logical. While it may not stop them, I am quite
> > > certain it makes it at the least more difficult on them, and who
knows,
> > > maybe someday it will become almost impossible for them to copy.
> > > I do agree it's a shame it ends up penalizing some folks that have no
> > > wrongful intentions. I hope a fix can be made for them.
> > > --
> > > Don Burnette
> > > > > Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as
more
> > and
> > > more
> > > > > companies are going to newer types of security for their games,
> thanks
> > > to
> > > > > all the crooks out there. It's sad that they have to do this, but
I
> > > don't
> > > > > blame them one bit.
> > > > Let me get this straight. Because of all these stinking crooks out
> > > > there, it's perfectly okay & logical to you for Papy to use a
> protection
> > > > scheme that doesn't make the pirates so much as miss a beat but yet
> > > > penalizes the legitimate owners who paid for their software?
Hello??
> > > > There seems to be a hole in this logic. Now if the pirates were
> > > > virtually stopped with this technology, I suppose one could argue
that
> > > > those who were having trouble were just a necessary "price" for the
> > > > protection. But such is far from the case.
> > > > Works great on my system, BTW, but I still think it's BS. It
doesn't
> > > > have to happen to me directly for me to get indignant over the
> treatment
> > > > legitimate paying consumers are getting.
> > > > --
> > > > Fester
MAJOR WOODIE
David G Fisher
> --
> Mike Grandy
> Precision Racing
> www.precision-racing.com
> > And I
> > > don't think warez versions are the way to go, because thats what
causes
> > the
> > > copy protection to begin with. So, in that aspect some have brought it
> > upon
> > > themselves.
> > You fail to see the utter simplicity of this. I buy a game that I know
I
> > will enjoy. It doesn't work for me because of a copy protection scheme
> the
> > makers made a conscious decision to use. So I go to WAREZ and get what
I
> > paid for in the first place.
> > I call that the company bringing back on themselves what they are trying
> to
> > prevent. Sure, you're a Papyrus supporter and they allowed you to be a
> > tester. It's not surprising that you take the stance you're taking.
But
> I
> > and many others are getting screwed here: how can you fault us for doing
> > what we have to do?
> > Your logic is flawed. We are not bringing anything upon ourselves.
It's
> > obvious that it's Papyrus that's doing that.
> > Alanb
--
Don Burnette
> >Well I tell you what guys, you might as well get used to it as more and
more
> >companies are going to newer types of security for their games, thanks to
> >all the crooks out there.
> One more time: It is NOT thanks to "all the crooks out there". It is
> thanks to pea-brained technologically ignorant suits at Sierra who
> can't get it through their infinitely thick skills that copy
> protection has always had exactly one function - inconveniencing
> legitimate customers. Period.
> Joe McGinn
> _____________________
> Radical Entertainment
Joe McGinn
_____________________
Radical Entertainment