rec.autos.simulators

>Joe, would the copy protection be there if piracy was not so huge?

> >The protection schemes that suits are using prevent the casual,
> >non-sophisticated user from buying one copy and then burning
> >a copy for all of his friends.

> That's a fair argument, I see where you're coming from. But I still
> don't buy it. Anyone who knows how to burn a cd-rom is certainly well
> aware of no-cd cracks and the like.

> Joe McGinn
> _____________________
> Radical Entertainment

> >Joe, would the copy protection be there if piracy was not so huge?

> Probably not. But that doesn't show that copy-protection prevents any
> piracy at all.

> The only partially effective anti-piracy technique is legal action,
> such as the massive lawsuit launched against several individuals
> yesterday. That makes sense, it's a reasonable way to attack the
> problem. It creates a real deterrent, and it only targets the pirates,
> not customers.

> Joe McGinn
> _____________________
> Radical Entertainment

>I bet that you did not use Adaptec Easy CD Creator or any standard 3rd party
>software that comes with most burners.

>Don's whole point is that sure, we may be able to do it and may know of
>where to get a crack, but the general public does not.  Those of us that
>know how and know where to find the crack are in the minority.. way in the
>minority

>> Just so you know I was able to copy the game 1 day after I bought it and i
>> know absolutely nothing about warez or cracking.  My reason for copying
>was
>> so I could put my original away where it won't get damaged and use the
>> backup to play. I've had games in the past that required the cd to play
>and
>> don't think much of having to purchase them a second time if the grandkids
>> get hold of the cd.

> On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:09:56 -0600, "Cliff Roman"

> >I bet that you did not use Adaptec Easy CD Creator or any standard 3rd
party
> >software that comes with most burners.

> >Don's whole point is that sure, we may be able to do it and may know of
> >where to get a crack, but the general public does not.  Those of us that
> >know how and know where to find the crack are in the minority.. way in
the
> >minority

> >> Just so you know I was able to copy the game 1 day after I bought it
and i
> >> know absolutely nothing about warez or cracking.  My reason for copying
> >was
> >> so I could put my original away where it won't get damaged and use the
> >> backup to play. I've had games in the past that required the cd to play
> >and
> >> don't think much of having to purchase them a second time if the
grandkids
> >> get hold of the cd.

>    Hmmm, I did the same and it works, even online.  I've installed the
> game from the Sierra disc, made a copy with Adaptec's CD Copier (from
> Easy CD Creator 3.5, it came with my HP 7500 drive), and the copy
> works to start the game and run the game online.  Maybe I can't
> install from it, but I don't need it for that.  Amazing what you can
> do if you just try it (thanks, Don).  :)

> "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
> nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
> a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

> >Let me get this straight.  Because of all these stinking crooks out
> >there, it's perfectly okay & logical to you for Papy to use a protection
> >scheme that doesn't make the pirates so much as miss a beat but yet
> >penalizes the legitimate owners who paid for their software?  Hello??
> >There seems to be a hole in this logic.  Now if the pirates were
> >virtually stopped with this technology, I suppose one could argue that
> >those who were having trouble were just a necessary "price" for the
> >protection.  But such is far from the case.

> Exactly the logic as gun control.  Keep passing laws and then keep acting
> surprised when the criminals ignore them.  Meanwhile, the law abiding suffer.

> MAJOR WOODIE

>heh, they are charging 4 individuals out of the 100,000+ that pirate
>software

>Then you should be able to afford a CD Rom that can run it.

>How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to run?
>How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent my
>$50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem
>with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed
>tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you
>can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at least
>I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant.

>I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE
>FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!!

>Joe, I hate copy-protection schemes as much as anybody, but you
>should remember that being here on the internet and more specifically,
>on usenet, we can grab nocd patches, advice, etc. to overcome some
>of the deficiencies that the suits have built-in to their schemes.

>We are in a tiny minority of those that are buyers of N4 or any
>other game.

>The protection schemes that suits are using prevent the casual,
>non-sophisticated user from buying one copy and then burning
>a copy for all of his friends. That's all it does and it's probably
>all it was intended to do. Warez versions, no-cd patches, hacks
>and the like will always be available to SofistiKaTed users
>like you and I.

> :)

>I still disagree, it's thanks to all the crooks, and it's not just Sierra.
>Period.
>:)

> >Joe, I hate copy-protection schemes as much as anybody, but you
> >should remember that being here on the internet and more specifically,
> >on usenet, we can grab nocd patches, advice, etc. to overcome some
> >of the deficiencies that the suits have built-in to their schemes.

> >We are in a tiny minority of those that are buyers of N4 or any
> >other game.

> >The protection schemes that suits are using prevent the casual,
> >non-sophisticated user from buying one copy and then burning
> >a copy for all of his friends. That's all it does and it's probably
> >all it was intended to do. Warez versions, no-cd patches, hacks
> >and the like will always be available to SofistiKaTed users
> >like you and I.

> > :)

> Then that means that the majority of users would NOT be able to find the
cracks
> to allow them to run a program that they already PAID for...<g>

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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> >I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE
> >FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!!

> Can anyone translate this for me, please...?

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>We were hoping you could :)

>-Larry

>> >I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE
>> >FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!!

>> Can anyone translate this for me, please...?