rec.autos.simulators

by **Mike Grand** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:09:41

You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very small
percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than 1%.
papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and it is
virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell you that
we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can
launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez
version.

--
Mike Grandy
Precision Racing
www.precision-racing.com

> > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your
> > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus uses.
> They
> > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm sure
> they
> > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra.

> > --
> It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused
> problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy to
get
> N4 on the net, so what's the sense?

> Alanb

by **Mike Grand** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:11:40

Then you should be able to afford a CD Rom that can run it.

--
Mike Grandy
Precision Racing
www.precision-racing.com

> I CAN'T GET N4 TO RUN AND I AM MIS AT A FORTUNE 1000 FIRM!!! SO CAN THE
> FLAMEBAITING BS ALL YOU PAPY SHILLS!!!

> > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to
> run?
> > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent
my
> > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem
> > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed
> > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you
> > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at
> least
> > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant.

> > --
> > Alastair Ingram
> > www.saxlessons.com

by **Mr. Nospa** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:38:26

I agree. It is not a driver problem, its definitely their cd (or the cd
protection). Its totally unacceptable.

Another thing people can use is Kali. I don't think they added Nascar 4
support yet, but they do have Nascar3 support. I've seen quite a few people
playing on Kali. No stupid key or exe check required.

by **Mr. Nospa** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:45:04

Well a lot of the complaints I have seen the people have DVD CD players. I
have both a DVD CD player and a cd burner. The game wouldn't install using
my DVD CD player.

This IS papyrus/sierras fault. Other games do not have this problem. You
seem to have this idea no one has the right to be ticked off after paying
$50+ for this game.

I would also bet that the vast majority of people don't even read this
newsgroup here, so how would you even have a clue to it being less than 1
percent? Most people don't even know what a newsgroup is.

> You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very small
> percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than 1%.
> papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and it
is
> virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell you
that
> we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can
> launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez
> version.

> --
> Mike Grandy
> Precision Racing
> www.precision-racing.com

> > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your
> > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus
uses.
> > They
> > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm sure
> > they
> > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra.

> > > --
> > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused
> > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy to
> get
> > N4 on the net, so what's the sense?

> > Alanb

by **Mr. Nospa** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:47:51

Let me guess, this suggestion came from Sierra tech support. Might as well
contact our cdrom manufacturer to fix any bugs the game has too.

> Alastair,

> I've seen some suggestions elsewhere that you need to contact the
> manufacturer of your CD-ROM drive to find out when(if) they plan to
> implement support for SecureRom copy protection.

> --
> Jeff Causey
> FrogDog Racing
> www.frogdogracing.com
> Home of the FrogDog *** Racing School
> Member of the raceserver.net network of servers

> > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to
> run?
> > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent
my
> > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this problem
> > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have e-mailed
> > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If you
> > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at
> least
> > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant.

> > --
> > Alastair Ingram
> > www.saxlessons.com

by **Mike Grand** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 03:29:49

First off No-Spam(don't you love guys that don't want you to know their
name), I never said anyone should not be upset, only that he may not have
the facts. The one percent, while not a fact is what I have been told. And I
don't think warez versions are the way to go, because thats what causes the
copy protection to begin with. So, in that aspect some have brought it upon
themselves. I do feel sory for the others that it has affected and know I
wouldn't be too happy about it either. But, I would look for an answer and
there have been a few suggestions made that would probably work. Should
people spend money on a cheap cd rom to run the game, thats up to them but
it is an option.

--
Mike Grandy
Precision Racing
www.precision-racing.com

> Well a lot of the complaints I have seen the people have DVD CD players.
I
> have both a DVD CD player and a cd burner. The game wouldn't install
using
> my DVD CD player.

> This IS papyrus/sierras fault. Other games do not have this problem. You
> seem to have this idea no one has the right to be ticked off after paying
> $50+ for this game.

> I would also bet that the vast majority of people don't even read this
> newsgroup here, so how would you even have a clue to it being less than 1
> percent? Most people don't even know what a newsgroup is.

> > You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very
small
> > percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than
1%.
> > papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and it
> is
> > virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell you
> that
> > we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can
> > launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez
> > version.

> > --
> > Mike Grandy
> > Precision Racing
> > www.precision-racing.com

> > > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your
> > > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus
> uses.
> > > They
> > > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm
sure
> > > they
> > > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra.

> > > > --
> > > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused
> > > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy
to
> > get
> > > N4 on the net, so what's the sense?

> > > Alanb

by **Mark Stah** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 03:50:46

you guys could always just use a different CD-ROM drive. they're really
quite cheap. you can probably get one out of an old computer for free, and
just use it for N4. sure, it shouldn't be that way- but with the vagaries of
multiple vendors for the PC, that's life.

BTW, N4 works just fine on both my DVD drive and my CD-RW drive....

> I agree. It is not a driver problem, its definitely their cd (or the cd
> protection). Its totally unacceptable.

> Another thing people can use is Kali. I don't think they added Nascar 4
> support yet, but they do have Nascar3 support. I've seen quite a few
people
> playing on Kali. No stupid key or exe check required.

> > Sierra is full of ***this time. Drivers will do nothing for the
problem
> > some of us are having. I do believe Sierra knew full well that the copy
> > protection scheme they were going to use was going to shut out 10% of
the
> > people from playing the game.

> > So right now I have two options. Use the WAREZ (nice word, ain't it,
> > Sierra?) fix/no-cd and forget about the WON servers, or else go through
> that
> > convoluted process of disabling port-tabbing out-enabling port-going
back
> > in-reconfiguring wheel crap.

by **Scott B. Huste** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 03:56:16

Give em hell Mike! ;)

--
Scott B. Husted
"PA-Scott"
ICQ# 4395450

> First off No-Spam(don't you love guys that don't want you to know their
> name), I never said anyone should not be upset, only that he may not have
> the facts. The one percent, while not a fact is what I have been told. And
I
> don't think warez versions are the way to go, because thats what causes
the
> copy protection to begin with. So, in that aspect some have brought it
upon
> themselves. I do feel sory for the others that it has affected and know I
> wouldn't be too happy about it either. But, I would look for an answer and
> there have been a few suggestions made that would probably work. Should
> people spend money on a cheap cd rom to run the game, thats up to them but
> it is an option.

> --
> Mike Grandy
> Precision Racing
> www.precision-racing.com

> > Well a lot of the complaints I have seen the people have DVD CD players.
> I
> > have both a DVD CD player and a cd burner. The game wouldn't install
> using
> > my DVD CD player.

> > This IS papyrus/sierras fault. Other games do not have this problem.
You
> > seem to have this idea no one has the right to be ticked off after
paying
> > $50+ for this game.

> > I would also bet that the vast majority of people don't even read this
> > newsgroup here, so how would you even have a clue to it being less than
1
> > percent? Most people don't even know what a newsgroup is.

> > > You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very
> small
> > > percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than
> 1%.
> > > papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and
it
> > is
> > > virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell
you
> > that
> > > we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I
can
> > > launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your
warez
> > > version.

> > > --
> > > Mike Grandy
> > > Precision Racing
> > > www.precision-racing.com

> > > > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with
your
> > > > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus
> > uses.
> > > > They
> > > > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm
> sure
> > > > they
> > > > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra.

> > > > > --
> > > > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused
> > > > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very
easy
> to
> > > get
> > > > N4 on the net, so what's the sense?

> > > > Alanb

by **Tom Olive** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:54:41

In our JustRacin group, which is pretty large group, we haven't seen a
single case of this problem either.

Tom

> You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very small
> percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than 1%.
> papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and it
is
> virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell you
that
> we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can
> launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez
> version.

> --
> Mike Grandy
> Precision Racing
> www.precision-racing.com

> > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your
> > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus
uses.
> > They
> > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm sure
> > they
> > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra.

> > > --
> > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused
> > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy to
> get
> > N4 on the net, so what's the sense?

> > Alanb

by **Steve Rosk** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 05:54:33

I'm happy for you that you haven't seen the problem, but I have it and I'm
not alone. Still searching for a solution. I have an old CD-ROM. Think
I'll try the cheap/newer route. Will report progress in a few days.

> In our JustRacin group, which is pretty large group, we haven't seen a
> single case of this problem either.

> Tom

> > You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very
small
> > percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than
1%.
> > papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and it
> is
> > virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell you
> that
> > we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I can
> > launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your warez
> > version.

> > --
> > Mike Grandy
> > Precision Racing
> > www.precision-racing.com

> > > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with your
> > > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus
> uses.
> > > They
> > > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm
sure
> > > they
> > > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra.

> > > > --
> > > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused
> > > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very easy
to
> > get
> > > N4 on the net, so what's the sense?

> > > Alanb

by **Jeff Cause** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:01:03

Mr. Nospam,

No, that suggestion came from someone posting on another newsgroup.

--
Jeff Causey
FrogDog Racing
www.frogdogracing.com
Home of the FrogDog *** Racing School
Member of the raceserver.net network of servers

> Let me guess, this suggestion came from Sierra tech support. Might as
well
> contact our cdrom manufacturer to fix any bugs the game has too.

> > Alastair,

> > I've seen some suggestions elsewhere that you need to contact the
> > manufacturer of your CD-ROM drive to find out when(if) they plan to
> > implement support for SecureRom copy protection.

> > --
> > Jeff Causey
> > FrogDog Racing
> > www.frogdogracing.com
> > Home of the FrogDog *** Racing School
> > Member of the raceserver.net network of servers

> > > How long of a wait for the "2 or 3 percent" of us that can't get N4 to
> > run?
> > > How many are there, really? I am pissed! I have this game that I spent
> my
> > > $50.00 on just sitting here doing nothing! I have NEVER had this
problem
> > > with any other game. Does anyone from papy read this NG? I have
e-mailed
> > > tech support three days ago and I haven't heard a peep from them. If
you
> > > can't get N4 to run, please say so here. I would like to know that at
> > least
> > > I am not alone. Thanks for letting me rant.

> > > --
> > > Alastair Ingram
> > > www.saxlessons.com

by **Alan Bernard** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:37:35

And I

You fail to see the utter simplicity of this. I buy a game that I know I
will enjoy. It doesn't work for me because of a copy protection scheme the
makers made a conscious decision to use. So I go to WAREZ and get what I
paid for in the first place.

I call that the company bringing back on themselves what they are trying to
prevent. Sure, you're a Papyrus supporter and they allowed you to be a
tester. It's not surprising that you take the stance you're taking. But I
and many others are getting screwed here: how can you fault us for doing
what we have to do?

Your logic is flawed. We are not bringing anything upon ourselves. It's
obvious that it's Papyrus that's doing that.

Alanb

by **Mike Grand** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:55:50

Steve, can I suggest that when you do try a new cd rom that you disable the
other drive temporarily if you do leave it in the system. I would be
interested in hearing how it worked out.

--
Mike Grandy
Precision Racing
www.precision-racing.com

> I'm happy for you that you haven't seen the problem, but I have it and I'm
> not alone. Still searching for a solution. I have an old CD-ROM. Think
> I'll try the cheap/newer route. Will report progress in a few days.

> > In our JustRacin group, which is pretty large group, we haven't seen a
> > single case of this problem either.

> > Tom

> > > You're making assumptions with out having any facts. There is a very
> small
> > > percentage that are having problems which is probably a lot less than
> 1%.
> > > papyrun doesn't know what hardware everyone has in there computer and
it
> > is
> > > virtually impossible to test every possible combination. I can tell
you
> > that
> > > we did not have one instance where it was a problem in testing and I
can
> > > launch N4 from either my HP CDR and my CD-Rom. Good luck with your
warez
> > > version.

> > > --
> > > Mike Grandy
> > > Precision Racing
> > > www.precision-racing.com

> > > > > I'm not sure it's a Papyrus problem since it is associated with
your
> > > > > hardware not being able to deal with copy protection that Papyrus
> > uses.
> > > > They
> > > > > are aware of the problem and if there is anything they can do I'm
> sure
> > > > they
> > > > > will. There is always a money back guarantee offered by Sierra.

> > > > > --
> > > > It is Papyrus' problem. They knew the scheme they were using caused
> > > > problems and they could have used a different scheme. It's very
easy
> to
> > > get
> > > > N4 on the net, so what's the sense?

> > > > Alanb

by **Mike Grand** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:03:55

There are several different options rather than supporting an illeagal
existence by a warez site. Do you buy a piece of hardware and when it soen't
work for you tell the company that made it to make it work, or do you return
it. I really suggest that if you enjoy Nascar sims then install a cheap cd
rom and install it. Disable the drive thats giving you problems before you
install the software and you should not have a problem. Why do you insist
that it wouldn't bother me, of course it would. I'd bet you one thing
though, instead of coming on here and whining about it I would have already
figured out a way to get it to work. Another thing, we don't need to come on
here and get blasted for trying to help. We were fortunate enough to be able
to test and have some knowledge about problems to be able o help out when we
can. We aren't required to, we do it because we like helping others who
enjoy doing what we do. You can either take my suggestions or leave them,
thats up you.

--
Mike Grandy
Precision Racing
www.precision-racing.com

by **Don Burnett** » Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:07:50

I would recommend either sitting tight and keep checking back, or sending it
back for your money back until when/if they get a fix for it. I am sure Papy
reads these forums .

--
Don Burnette

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